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Serenity * spoilers*
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 3:54 am
by Iccy
What a huge disapointment. What started off as a great series really crumbled as a movie. The movie was basicly good, it was good action and story, but how can you kill off like half the crew? Kinda makes it obvious they werent looking to bring more series to TV and i dont see how it can last in movies either. Im all for the dynamic nature of it, but if you kill off so many important characters, how can you expect to keep that long time connection with the fans. Especialy in a movie that is relying on grass roots to make its cash.
Im really confused and disapointed at outcome of all this. Firefly is one of the best seis i ever saw and i had high hopes of it coming back or atleast a few more movies, dont have much hope now.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:25 am
by [xeno]Julios
wtf you on about?
one crew member died.
get over it already
and i prefer to think of the movie as giving closure to the series.
whedon's expressed the possibility of future movies.
seriously, get over wash - he died a perfect death.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:33 am
by [xeno]Julios
man i'm just trying to figure out how you figured half the crew died.
you must've watched a really bad copy and been REALLY REALLY high...
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:58 am
by seremtan
meh, it was only shepherd book and wash who died. the movie was excellent
dunno why you put "spoilers" in the topic title - everyone here has seen it i'm sure
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:06 am
by [xeno]Julios
doh forgot about book
MEGASPOILER!!
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:12 am
by chiQ
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:08 am
by rgoer
I'd like to see the firefly series revisited--maybe they can bring the Operative character from the film on board as a new character in the same vein as Shepard Book... maybe we'd finally find out something about Book's own past (as an Operative himself?)
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:12 am
by [xeno]Julios
perhaps. I could see joss doing a backstory episode that involved the point of view of the operative world.
Book as a young man - maybe he even trained the serenity operative (although that might seem too star warsy - but you know what, fuck it, star wars is, from what i understand, based on the archetypes, so it's the archetypes that joss would be ripping off, not star wars

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:12 am
by chiQ
rgoer wrote:...Book's own past (as an Operative himself?)
That was my take too.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:14 am
by [xeno]Julios
seremtan wrote:dunno why you put "spoilers" in the topic title - everyone here has seen it i'm sure
nah - you'd be surprised at how few folks have heard of firefly/serenity.
even ppl on this board tend to ignore things posted about - i know i do, for example the man-u vs whatever threads - know squat about the world of football/soccer.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:57 am
by Grudge
I didn't quite see the point of Wash being killed, story-wise. The only real reason I can think of is that they were planning another movie and the actor didn't want to sign on for that one.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:09 am
by [xeno]Julios
Grudge wrote:I didn't quite see the point of Wash being killed, story-wise. The only real reason I can think of is that they were planning another movie and the actor didn't want to sign on for that one.
it may have coincided with external interests, but it could be a valuable part of the story-universe.
first off, it totally made the movie darker - once wash died, it was like a message:
there is no guarantee that there will be a happy ending.
second, it'll be interesting to see how zoe's character handles it in the short and long run.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:50 am
by Geebs
I haven't seen it, and I'm not going to, nuther.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:12 am
by [xeno]Julios
yea i would recommend watching the series first.
give the pilot a shot - you may just be surprised.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:30 am
by 4days
tried watching the first few episodes of the series and couldn't get into it. the whole western in space thing just didn't feel like it worked. haven't gotten into any joss whedon stuff since about 3/4 of the way through buffy.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:34 am
by Ryoki
4days wrote:tried watching the first few episodes of the series and couldn't get into it. the whole western in space thing just didn't feel like it worked.
I had the very same problem with the show. I was like 'oh, spacecowboys' and then i couldn't take it seriously at all.
Felt like an akward trick to combine two popular genres into one, or something.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:34 am
by [xeno]Julios
4days wrote:tried watching the first few episodes of the series and couldn't get into it. the whole western in space thing just didn't feel like it worked. haven't gotten into any joss whedon stuff since about 3/4 of the way through buffy.
you watch the pilot?
also, you have to pay really close attention to the scenes and dialogue. This isn't a show that affords weak attention spans.
the western thing put me off too, until i realized it was prejudice holding me back.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:46 am
by Iccy
[xeno]Julios wrote:wtf you on about?
one crew member died.
get over it already
and i prefer to think of the movie as giving closure to the series.
whedon's expressed the possibility of future movies.
seriously, get over wash - he died a perfect death.
Shepard died, wash died and i thought someone else died but i guess im wrong. There was a 3rd grave at the end though, i just cant remember who it was for.
But still, killing shepherd and wash sucks

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:52 am
by 4days
not sure if i watched the pilot, think so - think it was the stereotypical wise, religious-but-with-a-shady-side (tm) old black guy and the "i know it looks like the club from buffy but now it's a spaceship okay" thing that put me off - that and the fact that i kept getting it mixed up with 'six feet under' for some reason.
don't have the time, the memory or the attention span to get into a lot of telly though, which makes me pretty biased.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:36 pm
by seremtan
Iccy wrote:[xeno]Julios wrote:wtf you on about?
one crew member died.
get over it already
and i prefer to think of the movie as giving closure to the series.
whedon's expressed the possibility of future movies.
seriously, get over wash - he died a perfect death.
Shepard died, wash died and i thought someone else died but i guess im wrong. There was a 3rd grave at the end though, i just cant remember who it was for.
But still, killing shepherd and wash sucks

the 3rd grave was for mr universe, who wasn't part of their crew