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Torrents and the end of the boom
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:19 am
by ForM
http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-and-mpaa-join-forces
Does this news mean that the other more usefull and speedy sites or types of will be under the gun to comply or face action?
Could seeders take some kind of backsplash from this in the end like Napster users did?
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:22 am
by R00k
Looks like it's getting slammed.
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:22 am
by Guest
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:22 am
by bitWISE
I stopped using BitTorrent because Universal Studios sent my ISP a complaint. So yeah, seeders are targetted too.
Got busted for American Wedding too...wasn't even worth the effort
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:12 am
by seremtan
most likely the future of
is non-server-based networks like kademlia
i imagine at some point someone will figure out a way of making the internet equivalent of the all-concealing brown paper bag
i don't buy that figure quoted regards revenue losses. it's based on the doubtless false assumption that if warezersz0rs hadn't d/l'd it, they'd have bought it
bollocks
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:14 am
by Tormentius
ToxicBug wrote:Internal Server Error
Heres the article:
Bittorrent And MPAA join forces
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Bram Cohen and the MPAA have a deal. All the copyrighted material from the “official” Bittorrent search engine will be removed. This is not really a shock for the bittorrent community since this torrent search site is a relatively new one, and the alternatives are far more popular.
However, it’s still a fact that the creator of the most popular filesharing network is working together with the MPAA. Ain’t that nice.
The press release
BITTORRENT AND MPAA JOIN FORCES
Companies Aim To Protect Film Copyrights
Los Angeles - - BitTorrent Founder and CEO Bram Cohen and Motion Picture Association of America, Inc. (MPAA) Chairman and CEO Dan Glickman announced today that the motion picture industry and BitTorrent, Inc. are collaborating with the goal of inhibiting film piracy. Bram Cohen developed a revolutionary technology for websites to make large content files available on the Web and that technology is often used by others illegally to distribute movies and television shows. Today Cohen confirmed BitTorrent, Inc.’s commitment to removing links that direct users to copies of pirated content owned by MPAA companies from its search engine at BitTorrent.com. The announcement today is historic in that two major forces in the technology and film industries have agreed to work together and proactively identify ways to limit access to infringing material available via search engines like the one at BitTorrent.com and to promote constructive innovation in this area.
“BitTorrent is an extremely efficient publishing tool and search engine that allows creators and rights holders to make their content available on the Internet securely,” said Cohen. “BitTorrent, Inc. discourages the use of its technology for distributing films without a license to do so. As such, we are pleased to work with the film industry to remove unauthorized content from BitTorrent.com’s search engine.”
Cohen said BitTorrent.com will remove links that direct users to pirated content owned by MPAA companies from its search engine.
“We are glad that Bram Cohen and his company are working with us to limit access to infringing files on the BitTorrent.com website,” said Glickman. “They are leading the way for other companies by their example.”
Both Cohen and Glickman noted that this effort was an early experiment in using technology to assist in solving the problems of piracy. Over the last year, MPAA has brought lawsuits against several websites using the BitTorrent protocol for illegal distribution of movies. Since then, 90% of the sites sued have shut down. Today’s announcement reflects a joint commitment to work together to fight the continued illegal use of this innovative technology.
The motion picture industry and the MPAA have a multi-pronged approach to fighting piracy, which includes educating people about the consequences of piracy, taking action against Internet thieves, working with law enforcement authorities around the world to root out pirate operations and, working to ensure movies are available legally using advanced technology.
The MPAA estimates that the film industry lost approximately $3.5 billion to movie piracy in 2004, a total that does not include losses due to illegal on-line file swapping. According to a Smith Barney study, that number is expected to jump to $5.4 billion in 2005. By deeply cutting into revenues, movie piracy limits the choices for consumers at the box office. The average movie costs about $100 million to make and sixty percent of all movies never recoup their investment. Piracy in all forms hurts the hundreds of thousands of individuals, whose jobs depend on a vital movie industry, including sound and lighting technicians, carpenters, and theatre and video store employees.
tags: bittorrent, mpaa, p2p, torrent
posted on 11.23.05 @ 12:30 am
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:32 am
by axbaby
i hate going to the movies so they wouldn't have my money anyway plus i rent only the movies i really really want to see.
so my movies are purchased by the video store and viewed dozen's of times.
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:32 am
by ^misantropia^
seremtan wrote:most likely the future of
is non-server-based networks like kademlia
But where's the fun in that? I'm the admin of a private bittorrent tracker (~20,000 registered users). The hardcore uploaders, the people who provide new content, do so because they like the community feeling, being part of the group. Anonymous, decentralized P2P doesn't have forums to rant or IRC channels to idle in.
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:40 am
by Scourge
axbaby wrote:i hate going to the movies so they wouldn't have my money anyway plus i rent only the movies i really really want to see.
so my movies are purchased by the video store and viewed dozen's of times.
Same. I can't even remember the last time I went to the theater.
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:36 am
by Dr_Watson
eh, no big loss... seeing as the only movies i've ever downloaded are pr0n. and last i checked vivid video isn't a part of the MPAA.
movies have never been too expensive anyway. (home content that is... theatre prices are so rediculous i only go to the cinema when i get free passes from work... the only films i've paid to see because i couldn't wait for dvd was the LOTR)
i mean seriously... the average DVD is less expensive than 2 movie tickets... with the bonus of watching it in a better environment.
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:44 am
by +JuggerNaut+
won't be missed.
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:34 am
by seremtan
^misantropia^ wrote:seremtan wrote:most likely the future of
is non-server-based networks like kademlia
But where's the fun in that? I'm the admin of a private bittorrent tracker (~20,000 registered users). The hardcore uploaders, the people who provide new content, do so because they like the community feeling, being part of the group. Anonymous, decentralized P2P doesn't have forums to rant or IRC channels to idle in.
well, i guess i don't use P2P for irc or forums, but is chatting impossible on a serverless network? i wouldn't have thought so.
besides, that community feeling isn't going to help anyone in the courtroom...
edit: actually, the future of
is probably people renting a movie from blockbuster then copying it
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:21 am
by dzjepp
heh who used the official bt search engine anyway?
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:28 am
by stocktroll
just leave torrentspy.com alone and ill be fine
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:35 am
by dzjepp
Well I find no shock that the official bittorrent site had to delete copyright search information. It's kind of ironic that they still have music and games up on that site, I mean as long as riaa or the games industry doesn't knock on their doors why should they care right? klol
And it's funny how they can demand a search engine to filter their results, when it does not host any of the copyrighted files itself. I mean what's next, is the mpaa going to ask google to delete their search results which find movies? (And there are tons of those).
And the 'underground' networks such as thepiratebay and torrentspy could give 2 fucks about this announcement, they are in it to make money via advertisements. Last I've heard torrentspy is making a nice sum each month from their ads.
Thepiratebay, well let's just say their 'legal threats section' is hilarious, I'd doubt they would loose any sleep over it. Sweden and the eu in general kicks arse in that they don't have to follow the dmca.
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:03 am
by YourGrandpa
I have a Netflix membership that I pay a monthly fee for. I don't go to the movies to see anything. So if I get a movie a bit early, what's the difference? I still pay every month.
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:07 am
by +JuggerNaut+
check your local library, folks.
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:46 am
by andyman
When WDMA went down, I pretty much switched to usenet
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:36 pm
by Transient
YourGrandpa wrote:I have a Netflix membership that I pay a monthly fee for. I don't go to the movies to see anything. So if I get a movie a bit early, what's the difference? I still pay every month.
:icon14:
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:45 pm
by seremtan
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:check your local library, folks.
to rent DVDs and music? that's what i usually do, unless it's something they don't have...
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:21 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
seremtan wrote:+JuggerNaut+ wrote:check your local library, folks.
to rent DVDs and music? that's what i usually do, unless it's something they don't have...
yerp. there are five libraries for my district that i can browse from. i just hop online, choose my title, choose which location i'd like to pick the item up from, and they send an email when it arrives.
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:34 pm
by seremtan
like taking candy from a person who's giving away candy :icon14:
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:46 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
easier done than said.
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:51 pm
by PhoeniX
That's pretty good how you can do that (the whole library thing). Nothing like that around here, therefore newsgroups for the win.
Re: Torrents and the end of the boom
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:21 pm
by hax103
I had thought that Canada had some law that allowed these things because they pay the artists through other means, which is why isohunt.com (perhaps the oldest of the remaining search engines and based in Canada) is still going strong.
Perhaps a Canadian could shed some light on this?
ForM wrote:http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-and-mpaa-join-forces
Does this news mean that the other more usefull and speedy sites or types of will be under the gun to comply or face action?
Could seeders take some kind of backsplash from this in the end like Napster users did?