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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:50 pm
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
http://www.organicconsumers.org/epa6.cfm

ALERT: EPA TO ALLOW PESTICIDE TESTING ON ORPHANS & MENTALLY HANDICAPPED CHILDREN

Public Comment Period for this rule Closes
December 12, 2005

Public comments are now being accepted by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) on its newly proposed federal regulation regarding the testing of chemicals and pesticides on human subjects. On August 2, 2005, Congress had mandated the EPA create a rule that permanently bans chemical testing on pregnant women and children. But the EPA's newly proposed rule, misleadingly titled "Protections for Subjects in Human Research," puts industry profits ahead of children's welfare. The rule allows for government and industry scientists to treat children as human guinea pigs in chemical experiments in the following situations:

1. Children who "cannot be reasonably consulted," such as those that are mentally handicapped or orphaned newborns may be tested on. With permission from the institution or guardian in charge of the individual, the child may be exposed to chemicals for the sake of research.
2. Parental consent forms are not necessary for testing on children who have been neglected or abused.
3. Chemical studies on any children outside of the U.S. are acceptable.

OCA's focal concerns with this proposed rule specifically involve the following portions of text within the EPA document (Read the full EPA proposed rule here: PDF --- HTML):

70 FR 53865 26.408(a) "The IRB (Independent Review Board) shall determine that adequate provisions are made for soliciting the assent of the children, when in the judgment of the IRB the children are capable of providing assent...If the IRB determines that the capability of some or all of the children is so limited that they cannot reasonably be consulted, the assent of the children is not a necessary condition for proceeding with the research. Even where the IRB determines that the subjects are capable of assenting, the IRB may still waive the assent requirement..."

(OCA NOTE: Under this clause, a mentally handicapped child or infant orphan could be tested on without assent. This violates the Nuremberg Code, an international treaty that mandates assent of test subjects is "absolutely essential," and that the test subject must have "legal capacity to give consent" and must be "so situated as to exercise free power of choice." This loophole in the rule must be completely removed.)

70 FR 53865 26.408(c) "If the IRB determines that a research protocol is designed for conditions or for a subject population for which parental or guardian permission is not a reasonable requirement to protect the subjects (for example, neglected or abused children), it may waive the consent requirements..."

(OCA NOTE: Under the general rule, the EPA is saying it's okay to test chemicals on children if their parents or institutional guardians consent to it. This clause says that neglected or abused children have unfit guardians, so no consent would be required to test on those children. This loophole in the rule must be completely removed.)

70 FR 53864 26.401 (a)(2) "To What Do These Regulations Apply? It also includes research conducted or supported by EPA outside the United States, but in appropriate circumstances, the Administrator may, under § 26.101(e), waive the applicability of some or all of the requirements of these regulations for research..."

(OCA NOTE: This clause is stating that the Administrator of the EPA has the power to completely waive regulations on human testing, if the testing is done outside of the U.S. This will allow chemical companies to do human testing in other countries where these types of laws are less strict. This loophole in the rule must be completely removed.)

70 FR 53857 "EPA proposes an extraordinary procedure applicable if scientifically sound but ethically deficient human research is found to be crucial to EPA’s fulfilling its mission to protect public health. This procedure would also apply if a scientifically sound study covered by proposed § 26.221 or § 26.421--i.e., an intentional dosing study involving pregnant women or children as subjects..."

(OCA NOTE: This clause allows the EPA to accept or conduct "ethically deficient" studies of chemical tests on humans if the agency deems it necessary to fulfull its mission. Unfortunately, the EPA report sets up no criteria for making such an exception with any particular study. This ambiguity leaves a gaping loophole in the rule. Without specific and detailed criteria, it could be argued that any and every study of chemical testing on humans is "necessary." This loophole in the rule must be removed, based on this inadequacy of criteria and definition.)

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:53 pm
by plained
that cant be real really?

:tear:

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:55 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
that's it. Europe, here i come.

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:57 pm
by o'dium
Thats gotta be fake. There is just no chance in hell anybody is THAT stupid... Is there?

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:00 pm
by Survivor
This is the US we're talking about.

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:08 pm
by R00k
I read that yesterday. I thought my gf's head was going to start spinning around when she saw it.

But really, how is this any different than the forced vaccinations they want to give everyone in case of "biological" threat?

Human beings apparently look quite a bit like lab rats to some people who unfortunately hold positions of power.

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:09 pm
by Massive Quasars

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:58 pm
by diego
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:that's it. Europe, here i come.
our beer rules the world.

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:00 pm
by MKJ
o'dium wrote:Thats gotta be fake. There is just no chance in hell anybody is THAT stupid... Is there?
word
i refuse to believe this :icon10: :icon33:

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:59 pm
by mrd
Another reason I'm glad I don't live there. They seem to treat their people like shiet.

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:04 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
diego wrote:
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:that's it. Europe, here i come.
our beer rules the world.
i know this. :) even though i was too young to drink back then, i was born in Frankfurt :icon28:

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:09 pm
by R00k
I flew into Frankfurt when I went over there.

I loved Germany. Switzerland was fun to visit, but I'd never want to live there.

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:11 pm
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
they did this sort of thing in Frankfurt under the Nazis

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:12 pm
by R00k
You didn't have to say that. :tear:

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:14 pm
by seremtan
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
diego wrote:
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:that's it. Europe, here i come.
our beer rules the world.
i know this. :) even though i was too young to drink back then, i was born in Frankfurt :icon28:
you know, i've been meaning to say this for a while now, but i find your icon strangely disturbing and i'm not sure why

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:14 pm
by seremtan
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:they did this sort of thing in Frankfurt under the Nazis
they also did it in the UK at porton down

edit: dodgy experiments i mean

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:21 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
seremtan wrote:
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
diego wrote: our beer rules the world.
i know this. :) even though i was too young to drink back then, i was born in Frankfurt :icon28:
you know, i've been meaning to say this for a while now, but i find your icon strangely disturbing and i'm not sure why
:rtcw:

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:22 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
R00k wrote:I flew into Frankfurt when I went over there.

I loved Germany. Switzerland was fun to visit, but I'd never want to live there.
yer, went back to Germany and visited Switzerland and Austria when i was a wee teen. great memories.

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:58 pm
by -Replicant-
look at the date on it...

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:00 am
by Dark Metal
Good call.

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:01 am
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
-Replicant- wrote:look at the date on it...
nov 17th

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:21 am
by Maiden
this battle has been going on for years. we should probaly thank the U.K. for letting us test all this crap on them while the epa fights for testing at home. A great deal of the recorded chemical testing on humans has taken place in England or Scotland

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:24 am
by seremtan
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
seremtan wrote:
+JuggerNaut+ wrote: i know this. :) even though i was too young to drink back then, i was born in Frankfurt :icon28:
you know, i've been meaning to say this for a while now, but i find your icon strangely disturbing and i'm not sure why
:rtcw:
erm... :paranoid:

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:25 am
by [xeno]Julios
exactly what sort of testing are we talking about?

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:26 am
by Maiden
pesticide