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Sony applies for software "lockout"
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:09 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
A Patent may allow Sony to ensure that no game would be playable from any console other than the one in which it was first read.
Joystiq is reporting that this patent is the source of the many rumours that will mean as much to gamers as DRM is for music fans.
The technology would allow an authentication code to be read and then rendered unreadable, making the software unplayable on any machine but the one which first read it.
article
although this is surely not confirmed FOR the PS3, it has potential to kill a good chunk of the used game market if it is approved.
from the
patent
A device and method for protection of legitimate software against used software and counterfeit software in recording media. The device includes a disk is set in a main unit. A specific title code is read, and if this title code has been registered, the main unit shifts to a normal operation. If the code has not been registered, verification software is initiated, PG detection is performed, and when a PG pattern and verification data match, the code is registered in the COCT. If matching does not occur, the disk is processed as illegitimate software.
Inventors: Kutaragi; Ken (Kanagawa, JP); Kawai; Eiji (Tokyo, JP); Miura; Kazuo (Kanagawa, JP)
Assignee: Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (Tokyo, JP)
Appl. No.: 550848
Filed: April 17, 2000
note the date it was filed. i don't really know anything about applying for patents or what exactly is researched to approve one, but isn't almost 6 years a long time for a application for a patent to be sitting?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:13 pm
by Canis
So you buy a game from them and instantly copy it on your PC so you'll be able to crack it and put it on non-writable media.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:17 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
Canis wrote:So you buy a game from them and instantly copy it on your PC so you'll be able to crack it and put it on non-writable media.
if they implement this, you think they'll "allow" copying
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:19 pm
by Canis
Well, they dont allow copying of DVD movies, and look at the numerous rippers out there...
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:20 pm
by o'dium
What about pre-owned games? Lending games? Renting games?
Hell, waht about Faulty games and machines?
I think not.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:20 pm
by Canis
o'dium wrote:What about pre-owned games? Lending games? Renting games?
Hell, waht about Faulty games and machines?
I think not.
Bye-bye blockbuster game specials...
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:37 pm
by plained
blockbuster is showing serios stress atm, thaze debt lagged and waally mart and netflix in addition to thier lenders are squeezing them .
jus sayin
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:55 pm
by R00k
If they implemented this they would be shooting themselves in the foot in the console market.
What a bunch of idiots.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:12 pm
by Canis
I think they might be on some PSP high-horse...
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:13 pm
by Scourge
So if your console goes out, all your games are rendered useless as well? Not too smart.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:14 pm
by Canis
I cant fathom it working specifically that way.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:17 pm
by eepberries
What the fuck? That's basically just BEGGING their customers to go the pirating route rather than actually legally using heir products. I mean, think about it. There is absolutely no crime in lending a legal game disc to friend, or playing it on another console. I mean, think about it. You own a physical copy of the disc. By lending it to someone else, you are temporarily giving up your ownership of it in a way. The only person that's able to play it is the one who has the disc. What's the problem with that
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:21 pm
by Denz
So, in other words Sony wants to go out of business.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:03 pm
by MKJ
reef made a thread about this, and that whole theory has already been debunked
do a search, dont feel like typing it all up again
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:14 pm
by Mr.Magnetichead
eepberries wrote:What the fuck? That's basically just BEGGING their customers to go the pirating route rather than actually legally using heir products. I mean, think about it. There is absolutely no crime in lending a legal game disc to friend, or playing it on another console. I mean, think about it. You own a physical copy of the disc. By lending it to someone else, you are temporarily giving up your ownership of it in a way. The only person that's able to play it is the one who has the disc. What's the problem with that
Technically you're not allowed to lend games to friends.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:24 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
MKJ wrote:reef made a thread about this, and that whole theory has already been debunked
do a search, dont feel like typing it all up again
where's the debunking?
and a thread titled "huh? ..weird". no wonder i skipped over it as did many others.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:29 pm
by Guest
I remember reading that thread too actualy... it wasn't even that long ago like last week or the week before.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:33 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
Kracus wrote:I remember reading that thread too actualy... it wasn't even that long ago like last week or the week before.
that's great. now point me to this "debunking".
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:12 am
by Geebs
Hey, I've just thought of a tedious copy-protection scheme/invasive DRM technique/needlessly proprietary new format! Well slap my thigh and call me Sony.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:37 am
by MKJ
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:Kracus wrote:I remember reading that thread too actualy... it wasn't even that long ago like last week or the week before.
that's great. now point me to this "debunking".
well, the fact that the patent is 6 years old might also be a clue
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:47 am
by +JuggerNaut+
MKJ wrote:+JuggerNaut+ wrote:Kracus wrote:I remember reading that thread too actualy... it wasn't even that long ago like last week or the week before.
that's great. now point me to this "debunking".
well, the fact that the patent is 6 years old might also be a clue
sorry, that's not a debunk.
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:53 am
by Eraser
I don't believe Sony will implement this sort of technology in the PS3. It's too far out there. If they do, however, it would be the worst mistake they've ever made.
And while people talk about pre-owned games, renting games and lending a game to a friend (which all could be not entirely legal) there's also the issue of coming over to a friend's place to play some game. It would mean I'd have to bring my own console over to play a game.
No, I don't think Sony will use this for PS3.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:55 am
by MKJ
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:MKJ wrote:+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
that's great. now point me to this "debunking".
well, the fact that the patent is 6 years old might also be a clue
sorry, that's not a debunk.
+
well its a lot more credible than the usual "big companies are evil"-routine started (in this case) by someone who just happened to stumble upon the patent
sony is a lot smarter than this
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:13 am
by +JuggerNaut+
MKJ wrote:+JuggerNaut+ wrote:MKJ wrote:
well, the fact that the patent is 6 years old might also be a clue
sorry, that's not a debunk.
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well its a lot more credible than the usual "big companies are evil"-routine started (in this case) by someone who just happened to stumble upon the patent
sony is a lot smarter than this
just not smart enough to pull the wool over consumers' eyes.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:33 am
by MKJ
thats like saying the world isnt smart enough to soothe geoffs conspiracy theories