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This guy should donate his body to science
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:37 am
by [xeno]Julios
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4432564.stm
If he really feels so lucky, and wants to do something about it, he should let them do whatever tests they need to.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:54 am
by Canis
I wonder if the first test was faulty. They apparently only did one test on him and there is a rate of false-positives for such tests, so its possible he was misdiagnosed. Still, its an amazing thing if true.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:04 am
by [xeno]Julios
yea hard to tell for sure as they don't elaborate on the standards they used to check. That said, it seems they did double checked their original samples.
Anyway, seems the fucker isn't coming back for more tests:
The tests were re-checked by the Chelsea and Westminster Healthcare NHS Trust when Stimpson threatened litigation believing there must be a mistake, but the results confirmed all the tests had been accurate.
In a letter understood to be from the NHS Litigation Authority in October this year, Stimpson was told: “The fact you have recovered from a positive antibody result to a negative result is exceptional and medically remarkable.”
The trust said there had been several other cases of claimed “spontaneous clearance” of the virus worldwide, although it is not believed any have been proved. A spokeswoman added that the trust had urged Stimpson to return for tests, but that so far he had not done so.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 40,00.html
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:13 pm
by Guest
What they aren't saying is that the greedy fucker probably wants money, a lot of it, in return for tests.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:39 pm
by Grudge
He should be apprehended and forced to undergo more testing.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:47 pm
by Geebs
Typical money-grubbing cunt. We had a bloke the other day who managed to go home with an iv line in (don't blame me, blame the nurses - but anyway, he could have mentioned it when he was going), and when the family rang up and Sister suggested they come back and get the line removed, they said "no, we're not going to come back because we'd rather sue you instead". These wankers cost the NHS millions a year which could otherwise be spent on improving the service.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:00 pm
by Canis
The perfect defense argument is: "if he had never come to the hospital he'd probably be dead"
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:01 pm
by Geebs
No it isn't.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:07 pm
by 4days
typical ned/chav.
should be in a clinic getting biopsied by anyone with an apple corer and letters after their name - why not, they do it to beagles.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:11 pm
by Canis
Geebs wrote:No it isn't.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:19 pm
by Geebs
Canis wrote:Geebs wrote:No it isn't.
No, it really isn't. Trust me, I know this stuff. I am a doctor, after all
. There's absolutely no way that would stand up in court.... or even out of court, where most of these sorts of cases are settled.
Honestly, I'm just waiting for the day when we keep someone for observation and they sue us for wasted time and mental distress.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:20 pm
by Canis
I was joking...
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:34 pm
by eepberries
I hope he suddenly "disappears." Ie: some big tough niggers carry him off to a secret testing facility.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:34 pm
by Massive Quasars
eepberries wrote:I hope he suddenly "disappears." Ie: some big tough ***** carry him off to a secret testing facility.
A secret CIA prison perhaps?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:36 pm
by losCHUNK
seen the state of the NHS ?
no wonder why he dont wanna do anymore tests
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:36 pm
by eepberries
Massive Quasars wrote:eepberries wrote:I hope he suddenly "disappears." Ie: some big tough ***** carry him off to a secret testing facility.
A secret CIA prison perhaps?
Nah, hopefully an actual hiv research facility. SINCE WE ALL KNOW THE US GOVERNMENT CREATED HIV AND HAS SUPPRESSED ITS CURE SINCE THE BEGINNING AMIRITE
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:45 pm
by Massive Quasars
losCHUNK wrote:seen the state of the NHS ?
no wonder why he dont wanna do anymore tests
Try privatizing a bit more.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:50 pm
by Pauly
Doctors. Money for nothing.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:51 pm
by [xeno]Julios
If we are to be consistent with our moral justifications for vivisection, and it turns out that this dude really did overcome HIV, then it's not hard to make the case for forcing him to undergo whatever tests necessary, perhaps even if it means killing him in the process.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:09 pm
by losCHUNK
Massive Quasars wrote:losCHUNK wrote:seen the state of the NHS ?
no wonder why he dont wanna do anymore tests
Try privatizing a bit more.
fuck that aswell
last private hospital my family used me and my mum nearly ended up having operations we didnt need
my mum wouldve had spine fusion (sp) and i nearly ended up having my knee cap smoothed (or somming)
this was back when i was 15
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:09 am
by horton
Massive Quasars wrote:losCHUNK wrote:seen the state of the NHS ?
no wonder why he dont wanna do anymore tests
Try privatizing a bit more.
private hospitals can lick my sack.
I went to a private hospital and had a biopsy..they told me i had cancer, i had less than 6 months to live, and i needed to have my leg cut off above the knee.
I went to a state run hospital, they re-checked me, found out it wasnt cancer, gave me surgery and sorted everything.
private hospitals .. very clean, private rooms, cable TV, badass food, leather chairs in the waiting rooms.
state run hospitals .. dont suggest cutting off healthy limbs.. dont tell your entire family you have terminal cancer
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:33 am
by ajerara
Actually, it is possible that it is true. There is a man in the U.S. who had a couple of lovers that had HIV but he never got it. It turns out that there is a mutated gene that makes it difficult to impossible for a virus to take hold. After the Black Plague in Europe, most of the people who survived had this mutated gene, that's why they didn't die of the plague, if they contracted it. People who had one copy would recover from the plague, and people who had two copies never got it at all. This mutated gene is still found in people of European descent, but hardly found in places like Asia. The man that had two lovers with HIV, was tested and they found he had two copies of the mutated gene. It's entirely possible that this English man has two copies, so the virus wasn't able to replicate in him.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:48 am
by Massive Quasars
Just a bit of privatization, you don't have to sack your whole public system. Just trying to get you out of a bind, probably not as bad as we have it here in Canada.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:55 am
by Geebs
We're not in a fucking bind, we have nigh on the cheapest healthcare system to run in the western hemisphere. All the private companies are doing is cherrypicking the profitable bits of the health service and leaving to NHS to do the expensive stuff.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:00 am
by [xeno]Julios
horton wrote:state run hospitals .. dont suggest cutting off healthy limbs.. dont tell your entire family you have terminal cancer
http://counterpunch.org/montague11042005.html
About half of all cancer cases are fatal, and death by cancer is often prolonged, painful, and very expensive. Those who manage to survive cancer live out their lives molded by the after-effects of harsh treatments popularly known as "slash and burn" -- surgery, chemotherapy, radiation, or some combination of the three.
As more people are kept alive each year with their breasts or testicles removed, the "cancer establishment" chalks up another "victory" -- and no doubt the victims are glad to be alive -- but we should acknowledge that there's something very wrong with calling this "victory." Slash and burn seems more like a dreadful defeat.
The truth is, an epic struggle has been going on for 50 years between the "slash and burn=victory" camp, versus those who think the only real victory is prevention of disease. The struggle occurs across a fault line defined by money. To be blunt about it, there's no money in prevention, and once you've got cancer you'll pay anything to try to stay alive. Cancer treatment is therefore a booming business, and cancer prevention is nowhere. That is the basic dynamic of the debate. Cancer surgeons can achieve the status of rock stars among their peers. Those who advocate prevention will most likely find themselves without funding, ridiculed and despised by the chemical industry, the pesticide industry, the asbestos industry, the oil industry and all their minions -- lawyers, bankers, engineers, reporters, professors, and politicians -- who make a fat living off those who pump out cancer-causing products and dump out cancer-causing by-products, aka toxic waste.
more context here:
http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/46628