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I like the overall game, but I find the maps to be very disappointing. It's been, what, 6-7 years since Q3 came out and most of the maps [if not all] are simply copies of Q3 maps.

You would think after all this time, they could have come up with some newer, better maps

I dunno, but the claim that they're "copies" of Q3 maps sounds more like a compliment than a complaint.

Some of the Q3 maps were the pinnacle of quality in multiplayer arenas. pro-q3dm6 is simply unmatched.

They copied the wrong ones. :icon33:

Oeloe wrote:They copied the wrong ones. :icon33:

Right.
I thought that you meant the look and flow of the maps is similar to Quake 3 maps in general.

I'd look at the dm17 and tourney6 remakes as added bonusses rather than serious maps. Both tourney6 and dm17 are quick maps to make (space floater style) so they probably did it because they had some time left.

I have to say that I think the dm17 q4 map is a horrible remake. It feels bulky, amateur and generally embarassing to play on.

I can't really put my finger on why this is, but it's just all wrong.

In Quake 3 you could get to the top (shotgun) platforms from 2 of the bounce pads (that are in the 5 formation) on the central lower platform with a bit of strafe and forward.

Now you can't even see the ground of the shotgun platform at the peak of the bouncepad jump.

And the metalic lining of the platforms feels horrible to me.

The only thing I thought was cool was the glass run up to the launchpad to the railgun.

tourney6 is a much better remake, but dm17 is just embarassing.

the spaceskybox is embarassing as well

quake 4 is embarassing

Oeloe wrote:They copied the wrong ones. :icon33:

100% with you, they should have done;
dm6, and pro-T4

They shouldn't have done any remakes at all!

What's the first thing the mod community does with the release of a new game in a series? Remake their favorite maps from the old ones! It's a given that the community favorites will come out anyway, so why waste the efforts of "professional" level designers to merely remake old stuff? Especially if there were so few maps to begin with!

dan1407 wrote:

Oeloe wrote:They copied the wrong ones. :icon33:

100% with you, they should have done;
dm6, and pro-T4

No, thye should have done Pro-q3dm6.

Justin Thyme wrote:They shouldn't have done any remakes at all!

What's the first thing the mod community does with the release of a new game in a series? Remake their favorite maps from the old ones! It's a given that the community favorites will come out anyway, so why waste the efforts of "professional" level designers to merely remake old stuff? Especially if there were so few maps to begin with!

Yea, but we all know how many servers run custom maps.. and with Q4 there is even more trouble.. you need EVERY custom file that the server have installed..

They should have ported pro-q3dm6 instead of that 'Very end of you' space level.

What were they thinking?

Eraser wrote:I dunno, but the claim that they're "copies" of Q3 maps sounds more like a compliment than a complaint.

Some of the Q3 maps were the pinnacle of quality in multiplayer arenas. pro-q3dm6 is simply unmatched.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that, in fact, the Q3 maps *weren't* really that good. I mean, for one the only reason we had a few decent ones (dm6, t4) was because of the sheer number of maps included. id was bound to get lucky on a few of them. And, at least in my opinion, the only reason why the decent ones were played by essentially everybody was because they came with the game. People simply wouldn't accept custom maps for competitive play (other than ztn) for Q3. So I don't think the few Q3 maps that were played were played so much because they were inherently awesome maps (although they were pretty decent) but simply because they came with the game.

DM6, T2, T4, DM13
All outstanding tournament levels with very deep gameplay.

As for no custom maps being accepted, yeah I know what you mean, but hub3tourney1 and ztn3touney1 are examples of solid tourney levels being adopted.

As for 'not really that good' as a general statement, I think they were the best thing we'd seen at the time Q3 was released. They at least equalled (and I feel surpassed) the quality of user-released levels for Q1 and 2, and the base Q3 maps are pretty much the gauge by which all newer quake levels are graded.

By comparison, now we're here at Q4, and the mapping community has continued evolving map design, but the retail levels we're seeing dont reflect that.

I don't really mind the maps, with the exception of the space ones. It looks like someone threw up coffeti on the sky...I mean, UT200* might've sucked in some departments, but atleast the skybox was awesome to look at and could be taken down for performance as well...

Why are people looking at the sky?

The dm17 remake is a crime against god and nature, but only because the original was also. Its only use is for Insta-Gib.

The rest, well they just need to have lighting tweaked so our frames dont suck so hard and we dont go blind from headaches.

nightwing wrote:They should have ported pro-q3dm6 instead of that 'Very end of you' space level.

What were they thinking?

And there are numerous other people saying "they should have done map X instead of Y...what were they thinking?

Everyone will have their own favorites which they wish had been included instead on one that is there....so that's a no win situation for Raven.

Personally, I'd have liked to have seen DM4 from Q1 redone!

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nightwing wrote:Personally, I'd have liked to have seen DM4 from Q1 redone!

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no place like the bad place..

I'm doing q2ctf05b. =)

[TJD]Rico wrote:I'm doing q2ctf05b. =)

Ah yes - fond memories of Q2 CTF 1, 2 & 3 - dropping down onto the flag in CTF3 through the ceiling and 'grappling' right back up again, happy days.. :icon26: