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Pop Quiz!

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:40 pm
by Nightshade
Image

Shown is a free body diagram of a mass with two vertical forces acting on it. From values given, can this object be moving, or is it at rest?

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:43 pm
by SoM
its resting

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:43 pm
by losCHUNK
my cats breath smells like catfood

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:44 pm
by Nightshade
Let's see what the rest of the class thinks.

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:46 pm
by Survivor
It is resting

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:46 pm
by Don Carlos
It can be moving
The picture shows no pressures on the left or right hand side of the object

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:47 pm
by Nightshade
Only the forces shown are acting on it.

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:47 pm
by Survivor
Don Carlos wrote:It can be moving
The picture shows no pressures on the left or right hand side of the object
Only 2 forces are mentioned and both are drawn.

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:48 pm
by Don Carlos
In that case

The answer is C

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:48 pm
by Jackal
If it's a "mass" and those two opposite forces are acting on it, won't it still be moving downward because it is a "mass"?

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:49 pm
by [xeno]Julios
if those are the only two forces on it, then it's just not accelerating.

Could be moving at terminal velocity, with air resistance pushing up, and gravity pushing down at equilibrium.

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:49 pm
by Don Carlos
[xeno]Julios wrote:if those are the only two forces on it, then it's just not accelerating.

Could be moving at terminal velocity, with air resistance pushing up, and gravity pushing down at equilibrium.
i thought of that too but as stated, only the 2 forces are shown can be taken into account?

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:50 pm
by Jackal
Granted I'm an anthropologist/english major, so what the fuck do I know?

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:50 pm
by Nightshade
[xeno]Julios wrote:if those are the only two forces on it, then it's just not accelerating.

Could be moving at terminal velocity, with air resistance pushing up, and gravity pushing down at equilibrium.
DING! Jules wins.

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:56 pm
by [xeno]Julios
Don Carlos wrote:
[xeno]Julios wrote:if those are the only two forces on it, then it's just not accelerating.

Could be moving at terminal velocity, with air resistance pushing up, and gravity pushing down at equilibrium.
i thought of that too but as stated, only the 2 forces are shown can be taken into account?
the upwards force would be the force of the air resistance, and the downward force would be gravity.

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:10 am
by Guest
It could be moving sideways at a constant velocity too.

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:26 am
by Kills On Site
Can it be moving if other forces are acting apon it, yes. Would it be moving if no other forces were acting apon it, I don't think so.

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:00 am
by [FTF]Pyro
Nightshade wrote:
[xeno]Julios wrote:if those are the only two forces on it, then it's just not accelerating.

Could be moving at terminal velocity, with air resistance pushing up, and gravity pushing down at equilibrium.
DING! Jules wins.



Then the diagram is screwed up because air resistance doesnt pull a force it upwards, it resists it, hence the arrow for it should be on the opposite side of the box. Also since the box is a box, the air cavity associated with movement across a non-aerodynamic object would create a vacumn and as such a the air pressure on the top side would be lower resulting in a flux of the moving air around it. Because of the flux, the object would destabalise and horizontal forces would occur increasing the destabalisation of the object meaning that acceleration and deceleraton can and would occur.



So yeah, in lamons terms that diagram is shit, your question and answer is retarded and I am a genious and god like...

Re: Pop Quiz!

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:08 am
by tnf
Nightshade wrote:Image

Shown is a free body diagram of a mass with two vertical forces acting on it. From values given, can this object be moving, or is it at rest?
It could be moving upwards on a platform that is going up or down at a stationary rate. It could also be stationary. Unless I am missing somethign here I am guessing, NS, that this is not a question you actually NEED people here to answer.

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:10 am
by tnf
[FTF]Pyro wrote:
Nightshade wrote:
[xeno]Julios wrote:if those are the only two forces on it, then it's just not accelerating.

Could be moving at terminal velocity, with air resistance pushing up, and gravity pushing down at equilibrium.
DING! Jules wins.



Then the diagram is screwed up because air resistance doesnt pull a force it upwards, it resists it, hence the arrow for it should be on the opposite side of the box. Also since the box is a box, the air cavity associated with movement across a non-aerodynamic object would create a vacumn and as such a the air pressure on the top side would be lower resulting in a flux of the moving air around it. Because of the flux, the object would destabalise and horizontal forces would occur increasing the destabalisation of the object meaning that acceleration and deceleraton can and would occur.



So yeah, in lamons terms that diagram is shit, your question and answer is retarded and I am a genious and god like...
the diagram is about as common of a free body diagram as you'll find in basic physics texts, and that is probably all the question is asking....an object with balanced forces can be doing one of two things - staying at rest or moving with a constant velocity. And the arrow pointing up - the normal force - if we are calling that due to air resistance, than yea, it acts directly upwards, not as a pull, but as a push against the direction of movement.

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:10 am
by tnf
and I should have read the rest of the thread.

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:12 am
by tnf
[FTF]Pyro wrote:


So yeah, in lamons terms that diagram is shit, your question and answer is retarded and I am a genious and god like...
A genius with 1st grade spelling skills.

GRAMMAR FLAME.

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:32 am
by DRuM
SoM wrote:its resting
it's not resting, it's pining for the fjords.

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:38 am
by Guest
Kills On Site wrote:Can it be moving if other forces are acting apon it, yes. Would it be moving if no other forces were acting apon it, I don't think so.
If you push and let go and object on a frictionless surface, it will start moving, and will keep on moving forever with a constant velocity given theres no resistance. No force will act on it after the push.

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:39 am
by Canidae
Depends on the frame of reference.