Quake3World

it's obvious they never went to the moon now for sure...

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/ne ... 28.art.htm

I hope that's sarcasm, because if it's not, you don't know WTF you're talking about.

i don't see the connection - how does this prove nasa never went to the moon?

It doesn't, and we did go, obviously.
I mean, you can bounce lasers off the reflectors they put up.

that's one of the most vague and incoherent news releases I've ever read.

" “Had the decision been mine, we would not have built the space station we're building in the orbit we're building it in.”"


wtf why not just get to a point - they keep talking about mistakes and being misguided without saying EXACTLY HOW.

FUCKING IDIOTS MOTHERFUCKING MORONIC JOURNALISTS AND SPOKESPEOPLE

geoff has been to the moon. it was dusty so he cleaned and polished it

why would it take till 2018 to get people back to the moon? it didn't take that long to get them there when they didn't know how to do it.

cuz they have never been...i bet when we actually do try to go, everyone is gonna die trying to get there...

Freakaloin wrote:cuz they have never been...i bet when we actually do try to go, everyone is gonna die trying to get there...

Geoff has been wearing out his capricorn one video..

booker wrote:why would it take till 2018 to get people back to the moon? it didn't take that long to get them there when they didn't know how to do it.

I don't really understand that either. Even if the 'misguided' shuttle program redirected time and money away from the project, it seems like we should be able to get there at least a little faster today than we did during the cold war, when it was only a figment of most people's imagination.

why can't any of the best new telescopes including the hubble in SPACE see any of the crap left from other moon missions? don't they have a satelite up there now mapping the moon? why can't it? i know why...ROFL...

Just admit it geoff, if you were in charge of nasa, you would have done better than them, no money would have been wasted, the hubble would be looking at crap from other moon missions, and tbh, you would probably have landed men on mars by now, discovered interesting aliens, AND set up homes there with all the things us humans need to survive AND MORE! But only if you were in charge.

ur getting smarter...

Freakaloin wrote:why can't any of the best new telescopes including the hubble in SPACE see any of the crap left from other moon missions? don't they have a satelite up there now mapping the moon? why can't it? i know why...ROFL...

There are a couple of problems with HST viewing things on the moon:

1. Size: An object on the moon 4 meters across, viewed from HST, would be about 0.002 arcsec in size. The highest resolution instrument currently on HST is the FOC, at 0.014 arcsec. That would work out to being able to resolve something about 300 ft across on the moon. So anything we left on the moon cannot be resolved in any HST image. It would just appear as a dot -- except see next point.

2. Motion of the moon: The HST pointing system is designed to hold it quite motionless relative to the distant stars -- but the Moon isn't. In 1 second of time, the moon moves over 0.5 arcsec. The shortest exposure time any of the HST instruments offers is 0.1 sec -- so an object we left on the Moon would appear more blurry.

To the left is the best picture Hubble has taken of the moon. It would be impossible to make out an object if it were only a few meters across.

http://hubble.nasa.gov/overview/faq.php





Edit: Although I do realize that it is pointless arguing against you.

well they have been mapping the moon and the landing areas...don't u think they would have said something? rofl...we never went there...

and there are more powerful telescopes on earth now...

booker wrote:why would it take till 2018 to get people back to the moon? it didn't take that long to get them there when they didn't know how to do it.

things move glacially slow nowadays, and the lack of a 'space race' hurts too.

if we told bush that Bin Laden had established terrorist training camps there we'd be there by next week. or at least have bombed it.

u guys r so gullible...

The Russians knew that landing on the moon was a HOAX> Russians chose let it
fly, they knew that the truth (at the end) will prevail. "Landing on the
moon" was by far the biggest HOAX of twenty century!

sorry

Russians beat you again

Russia Continues to Surpass Americans in the Space Race

Cosmonauts May Soon Add
On July 25, 1969, many Americans watched their televisions in awe as
astronaut Neil Armstrong walked on the moon and said, "One small step for
man, one giant leap for mankind." Americans were amazed at what advances in
technology had produced: a man on the moon. Ticker tape parades greeted
returning astronauts. America had proven itself a leader in the space race.

Lately, some have begun to suggest that this was not the case at all; some
people have suggested that America never made it to the moon and that it was
just an illusion made with trick photography. Bart Sibrel is one of those
people. He made a video called, "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the
Moon," in which he provides much documentation to suggest that man has yet
to walk on the moon. Is this possible? Could have America faked the entire
moon landing?

On first thought, it might sound ludicrous for many--to think that man has
not walked on the moon. After all, it would require such a grand conspiracy
that, certainly, someone who was privy to such information would have
spoken. Nevertheless, there are those who are skeptical of this
moon-walking.

Surprisingly, some of the ideas presented by them are not as preposterous as
they might sound. Based on surveys, it has been estimated that between 6
and 20 percent of Americans do not believe a man actually walked on the
moon. Are 6-20 percent of Americans fools, or are they a little brighter
than the rest?

In order to fully understand the claim that man did not walk on the moon,
the events leading up to this event that most Americans consider an historic
fact must be re-examined and scrutinized. We must go back in time, when the
space race between Russia (or the Soviet Union, as it was known then) first
started. By doing this, I feel that you will better understand the
arguments both for and against the claim of man walking on the moon.

What I present here may shock many fellow Americans, as we generally view
our nation and its space exploration program as being, by far, superior to
that of all other nations. After all, we were the first nation to have "a
man walk on the moon" (or so we believe). While this might possibly be true
that America was the first nation to have a man walk on the moon (though
there is evidence to suggest otherwise). As difficult as it may be for many
to admit, this appears to be the only "first" America had in the great space
race.

If we are to be honest, during the "space race" from the late-1950s until
the time American astronauts were to have walked on the moon, Russia was
utterly devastating America. This was probably both due to the fact that
Russians were highly educated and the fact that, with Russia's strict
Communist leadership at the time, failure was not an option. And Russia's
society encouraged intelligence, whereas America's society has
beenencouraging a host of things--such as artying and irresponsibility--none
of which promoted intelligence.

In 1957, America was astonished, as was the rest of the world, when it was
discovered that a Russian satellite, Sputnik, had gone into outer space.
People were absolutely amazed that such a device made it into outer space.
Not only was the scientific community of America in awe, but so too was the
American military, who were greatly concerned about Russia having the
ability to put such a device in outer space.

Later that year, Russia again made a first, when a small dog, Laika (which
means "barker"), was launched into outer space. This again sent shockwaves
throughout the world. Americans heard about this and were astonished that a
dog went into outer space. This dog was actually put into orbit, and
unfortunately died 6 hours later while in space, not being able to withstand
the rigors involved.

Meanwhile, in 1957, while America stood shocked at Russia's progress,
America attempted to launch its own satellite into outer space. This was
meant to show the Russians that America too was a contender in the space
race. A satellite was to accompany the rocket, which had been tested for
stress. America felt everything was prepared. But the rocket blew up at
the launch pad, never leaving the ground. It was an international
embarrassment.

In 1959, trying to copy what Russia had done two years prior, America was
finally getting an animal into outer space. A couple of monkeys went up
only 300 miles for just 15 minutes total. This, of course, was a far cry
from the orbit in which the Russian dog was put two years previous. However,
the monkeys did return alive.

While America was sending rockets up for 15 minutes in 1959, Russia was
again making shockwaves when its satellite Luna-1 flew by the moon. Later
in 1959, the Russian satellite Luna-2 reached the moon's surface and left
national symbols of the then-USSR. Again in 1959, the satellite Luna-3 made
another first for Russia, when it took pictures of the far side of the moon,
transmitting these pictures back to Russia.

Russia also had the first space probe to circle the earth.

A couple years later in 1961, Russia then became the first country to have a
man orbit the earth, Yuri Gagarin, who road aboard the space craft Vostok.
This again astonished the international community, who were surprised that
such a feat never tried before could be accomplished. While the Russians
were orbiting the earth, the American Alan Shepard was launched just 115
miles into space, not even going close to the distance Russia's dog had
traveled two years prior; and he landed in the Atlantic Ocean 15 minutes
later. Meanwhile, Russia again had nother first in 1961, when its
interplanetary probe Venera-1 was launched to Venus.

In 1962, America became the second country to have a man of its own in orbit
around the earth, John Glenn. Parades greeted John Glenn when he returned.
Due to his notoriety, he later became a U.S. Senator because Americans care
more for celebrity status than fit politicians.

President John F. Kennedy at this time said America would have a man on the
Moon by the end of the decade. He was later assassinated in 1964, leaving
his dream of having a man on the moon to be fulfilled by others.

In 1962, Russia was the first nation to have two rockets with cosmonauts in
outer space at the same time. It was known as the first "formation flying"
in space when the two manned spacecraft, Vostok-3 and Vostok-4, traveled
near each other in unison.

In 1963 Russian cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova became the first woman in
space. She was aboard the Vostok-6. Not only was this significant by the
fact that she was a woman, but she was also just a regular person, who had
worked at a textile factory. So she was also the first public citizen in
space, not being the typical cosmonaut.

In 1964, trying to duplicate what Russia had done back in 1959, America
launched the Ranger VII, which took pictures of the moon and then
crash-landed into it. Nevertheless, it did send some interesting images of
the moon, close-up images that attracted a great deal of curiosity to
Americans, who might have only been able to have seen such images if Russia
had shared theirs.

In 1964, Russia became the first nation to have launched two satellites,
Elektron-1 and Electron-2, while just using one rocket.

In 1965, tragedy struck when the American rocket Atlas blew up on the launch
pad, causing incredible damage. This terrible event sent a chill up many
potential astronauts' backs. It re-emphasized the importance of safety
precautions. Some feel that this accident was not quite that--that it may
have very well have ended that way due to some astronauts not wanting to go
along with a plan; in short, some feel they were assassinated by their very
own government. It is not known what evidence such thoughts are based on,
however, if any.

Russia too had a disaster related to safety at a different time, in which
many engineers died. This had occurred several years prior. Nevertheless,
over the years, Russia has shown itself to be much, much safer in its space
flights and landings than America.

In the year that America's rocket was smoldering on the launch pad, on March
18, 1965, Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov took the first space walk, a ten-minute
tethered excursion outside Voshkod 2. On June 3, 1965, Edward White II is
the first American to walk in space on Gemini 4, though not as far out
in>space. He stayed out for 22 minutes

In 1966, Neil Armstrong and other astronauts went in space aboard the Gemini
VIII and Agina. They met amid outer space and docked. Later, a malfunction
with Armstrong's rocket caused him to return to earth prematurely, but
fortunately no one was injured.

Meanwhile in 1966, Russia became the first nation to have an unmanned space
probe, the Lunar IX, to actually land softly on the moon. It transmitted
pictures from its surface back to earth. Also in 1966, the Venera-3 became
the first spacecraft to reach the surface of Venus. National symbols of the
USSR were left there. In 1966, Russia had the first satellite put in orbit
around the moon, the Lunar X space probe.

In 1967, Russia had the first two unmanned spacecrafts that automatically
met in space then docked and undocked.

Also in 1967, tragedy struck three American astronauts who died while
sitting inside a rocket. Their capsule burst into flames. The reason why
it caught fire is largely unknown; it is thought to have started as the
result of a spark of unknown origin that was somehow able to ignite the
extremely well-insulated fuel tanks. Again, some feel that there may be
more to this incident than we currently know.

In 1968, Russia's unmanned rocket Zond-5 became the first to travel around
the moon and return back to earth unscathed. Russia was the first to have a
manned spacecraft orbit the earth, Vostok, several years prior. Russia had
already showed the world that it was the first to have an unmanned
spacecraft, the Lunar IX, softly land on the moon, and now it showed the
world that it could even have an unmanned spacecraft circle the moon and
return, with Zond-5.

Why didn't Russia then send up a man on one of its spacecrafts to the moon?
It would have seemed simple enough. I'll get to this later.

1969 - Again, Russia had another first: The first docking of manned
spacecraft (Soyuz-4 and Soyuz-5), and crew transfer from one spacecraft to
the other through open space.

1969 - Still another first for Russia occurred: The first formation flying
of three manned spacecraft, Soyuz-6, Souyz-7 and Soyuz-8, during which they
maneuvered relatively close to each other, with ground facilities providing
simultaneous support for the three spacecraft.

Meanwhile, in America, the end of the decade was approaching. The
late-President John F. Kennedy's dream was becoming just that: a dream.
Violence gripped America, with the war in Viet Nam and racial riots across
America's cities. America's leaders were desperately looking for
"heroes"--some people to keep the public's minds off of the problems at
home. America was looking for something to distract Americans from the
failing policies. America's leaders wanted to show the world that its
insane policies were a match to the highly educated Russians and their
orderly society. While America's wars at home and abroad were causing much
turmoil, America desperately needed some "pride"--anything for which to be
proud.

Russians had wanted to go to the moon. However, there were many concerns
with safety. The Van Allen Belts released a deadly radiation that could
easily fry a person to death. Plus, the moon is 250,000 miles away--quite a
distance. While I'm not familiar with how fast the rockets were, traveling
at 1,200 miles per hour, it would be approximately a 20-day journey each
way, provided there were no problems. Even at 2-3 times that speed, it
would still be a difficult journey. The amount of fuel required would be
staggering, with the added weight of people, food, air, supplies, etc. Yet
somehow, these rockets managed to go much, much faster in a zero atmosphere
with nothing with which to propel? Perhaps, the speed is possible, yet one
cannot deny the deadly radiation rays out in space known as the Van Allen
Belts.

One cosmonaut who was sent in far outer space reportedly experienced the Van
Allen Belts harmful effects firsthand. According to various sources, while
he left white, he came back black; he was cooked to a crisp due to the
harmful radiation. This was despite heavy shielding to dissipate any rays,
which did no good. Those who knew about this incident were reportedly
devastated.

Then, suddenly, out of nowhere, as Americans and the rest of the world stood
in front of their televisions, two astronauts stepped on the moon in 1969.
Up until then, America was putting people about 400 miles away in orbit--far
away from the harmful Van Allen Belts. But suddenly Americans made it into
outer space--landing and walking on the moon--250,000 miles away, no less?

In 1965, the U.S. made a fake moon landscape, which was used for testing a
space vehicle. Some have suggested the scenery for the moon landing was
faked. Could this have been it?

Russia seemed to continue to have "firsts"--except for the moon landing. On
April 19, 1971, they had the first Space Station. The Soviets launch Salyut
1, the first orbiting space station. Salyut 1's original crew reportedly
died during re-entry on June 30, 1971. Georgi Bobroeolski, Vladislav Volkov,
and Victor Patsayev had spent a new record of 23 days in outer space.

It wasn't for two more years that the first American Space Station--May 14,
1973--was developed. The first American space station, Skylab, is damaged
during launch. The first of three crews arrive 11 days later for a 28-day
stay. They make in-orbit repairs and set records for time spent in space.

Russia had the first woman, Svetlana Savitskaya, to participate in a space
walk on July 17, 1984. With her partner, Vladimir Dzhanibekov, she
conducted welding experiments for over three hours outside the Soviet space
station Salyut 7. Savitskaya had become the second woman to fly in space
during a Soviet mission in 1982.

There were all these "firsts" by Russia. Yet Russia has yet to land a man
on the moon? Why? While people seldom hear about it, nor do they listen
even if so, Russian Cosmonaut Boris Volynov has gone on record saying that
he does not believe that Americans landed on the moon. It seems he is far
from the only one to think this way. Indeed, it is doubtful he is the only
cosmonaut to feel this way.

Further, one astronaut--Neil Armstrong, the first man to walk on the
moon--has confirmed some doubts. This is not to say that he supports the
contention that man did not land on the moon. He is an astronaut, after
all. He probably enjoys the notoriety. And you have to wonder if some of
the past astronauts might have been given the death sentence for planning to
go on record about such things? Or were there merely some bad "accidents"?
Whatever the case may be, Armstrong is getting older. And he does seemingly
admit that something is amiss.

Indeed, there is definitely something wrong here. If you take a moment to
view video footage of the moon landing by U.S. astronauts from back in the
1960s, you'll notice that the dust kicked up by astronauts immediately
settles down, just as if it was sand on the beach. Yet we all know that not
only does the moon have less gravity, but it also has zero-atmosphere.
Therefore, the moon dust should travel further given the force and little to
counteract it. Yet, for some strange, unexplained reason, the moon dust
resettles back to the ground at the same gravitational rate of 32 ft./sec.
as the earth.

In a letter I received back from the astronaut Armstrong, which asked him
about this strange fact of the same gravitational pull on both the moon and
earth, the response I was sent surprisingly admitted that, yes, the
gravitational pull should be different. Of course, Armstrong didn't come
right out and admit that this was the case. That might be the death
sentence for him--similar to what 3 other U.S. astronauts experienced in the
1960s when their simulated rocket mysteriously blew up during a ground test?
Oh, it was just an accident? It makes you pause for a moment.

Now, of course, it looks like the race to Mars has begun. U.S. President
George W. Bush has stated that, perhaps, man will walk on Mars by the year
2020. Bush stated that NASA may send astronauts to the moon again so that
they may experience the effects of space travel shortly before sending them
to Mars.

But if you look at the facts, you really have to wonder: Has man made it to
the moon yet?

Hey Freakie,

The Earth is flat too!

The other conspiracy is that they hush up all the suckers who fell off the edge!

hax103 wrote:Hey Freakie,

The Earth is flat too!

The other conspiracy is that they hush up all the suckers who fell off the edge!

MORON ALERT?

hax103 aka hack103?

yeah...a gigantic moron for sure