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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:16 pm
by DRuM
diego wrote:
DRuM wrote:I just checked out throbbing gristle. I am sorry, but that really is utter CRAP! I'm insulting the band brisk, not you.
Diego, it's no surprise to me you can't find an album full of good songs if that's the kind of shit you listen to.

Listen to this garbage. Christ sake!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/st ... 15-0565613

Okay, here's the deal, DRuM:

Last week I went to a Robert Cray-concert. He's a blues guitar player and has a good voice.
Problem is, he was fucking boring and I almost felt sorry for him. He never evolved beyond that 'Well, I'll just play the Blues until I die'-phase.
And I must honestly say that most of that olde shit is just dated and... well... olde.

Even if You don't like a certain band, it's not necessarily bad, DRuM. I am seriously surprised about your reaction.
If you went to see BB King, you wouldn't find him playing europop, country or techno either. Surprisingly, you'll still find him playing blues. I know Robert Cray, and if you really were into the blues, you'd probably enjoy the gig more. Some music doesn't evolve, it just is. You either like it or you don't. You can say big band music is dated, but it's still great music. How about mozart and beethoven, they're a bit past it now. Not really evolving, eh :p

Regarding your last statement, you'll hear many musicians when asked what music they like say ' I like good music'. And that's all I'm saying. It IS my personal opinion and of course not a fact, and everyone has their opinion of good and bad music. One mans meat, etc. So music is only good or bad to the listener, yes. Throbbing gristle is very bad music. To me.

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:21 pm
by DRuM
Btw diego, Cray never did much for me anyway tbh.

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:28 pm
by brisk
But you heard what, one or two samples from a single TG album? And you'd define it as "bad" just like that?

Some of my favourite artists have produced utterly shite tracks, but if I followed your way and didn't investigate the rest (even though so called "music critics" gave very positive reviews or responses), then i'd never get to hear the music that has touched me the most.

BTW, i'm not the worlds greatest TG fan, but if you did a bit of research, you'll find they've been incredibly influential. And for that alone, its unfair to call them "bad" even if you don't like them.

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:32 pm
by Don Carlos
brisk, he didnt like gyroscope :(

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:32 pm
by DRuM
I've heard enough of TG from one or two albums at amazon, plus aphex twin, plus a few other things of your genres to know that it ain't my cuppa and never will be. :)

brisk, I did say it was bad 'to me'. That's as fair a comment as anyone could make.


diego, you have a pm.

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:34 pm
by brisk
Don Carlos wrote:brisk, he didnt like gyroscope :(
Maybe you should send him Magic Window instead.

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:34 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
DRuM wrote:I've heard enough of TG from one or two albums at amazon, plus aphex twin, plus a few other things of your genres to know that it ain't my cuppa and never will be. :)


diego, you have a pm.
Drum, you have a PM

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:36 pm
by brisk
You mean those crappy compressed, 30-second or so samples? But bleh, if you're too stubborn to seek out different music, i'm not gonna force ya.

Just listen to Avril 15th by Aphex Twin before judging him as "bad" though.

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:37 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
brisk wrote:You mean those crappy compressed, 30-second or so samples? But bleh, if you're too stubbern to seek out different music, i'm not gonna force ya.

Just listen to Avril 15th by Aphex Twin before judging him as "bad" though.
.mp3's aren't compressed? ;o

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:38 pm
by Don Carlos
brisk wrote:
Don Carlos wrote:brisk, he didnt like gyroscope :(
Maybe you should send him Magic Window instead.
lol :p

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:40 pm
by Don Carlos
brisk wrote:You mean those crappy compressed, 30-second or so samples? But bleh, if you're too stubborn to seek out different music, i'm not gonna force ya.

Just listen to Avril 15th by Aphex Twin before judging him as "bad" though.
drukqs - CD1 track 9

give him a chance brisk :E

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:40 pm
by brisk
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
brisk wrote:You mean those crappy compressed, 30-second or so samples? But bleh, if you're too stubbern to seek out different music, i'm not gonna force ya.

Just listen to Avril 15th by Aphex Twin before judging him as "bad" though.
.mp3's aren't compressed? ;o
Sure, but not to the extent that amazon use (whereby every track sounds like someone is banging their head against a muffled bell)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:43 pm
by DRuM
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
Drum, you have a PM
I see no new messages. :(



brisk wrote:You mean those crappy compressed, 30-second or so samples? But bleh, if you're too stubbern to seek out different music, i'm not gonna force ya.

Just listen to Avril 15th by Aphex Twin before judging him as "bad" though.

ok

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:45 pm
by brisk
Oh, and checkout "54 Cymru Beats" from the same album if you want a lesson in percussion :)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:45 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
brisk wrote:
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
brisk wrote:You mean those crappy compressed, 30-second or so samples? But bleh, if you're too stubbern to seek out different music, i'm not gonna force ya.

Just listen to Avril 15th by Aphex Twin before judging him as "bad" though.
.mp3's aren't compressed? ;o
Sure, but not to the extent that amazon use (whereby every track sounds like someone is banging their head against a muffled bell)
note teh winkeh
DRuM wrote:
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
Drum, you have a PM
I see no new messages. :(
made you look

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:46 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
brisk wrote:Oh, and checkout "54 Cymru Beats" from the same album if you want a lesson in percussion :)
real percussionists?

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:47 pm
by DRuM
'avril 14th', nice song if kinda dull. Can't criticise it because it's music to me.
The rest of the album - :puke:

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:48 pm
by Don Carlos
even 2KThr ??

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:48 pm
by DRuM
brisk wrote:Oh, and checkout "54 Cymru Beats" from the same album if you want a lesson in percussion :)
You must be joking, lol. Go check out jo jo mayer with 'nerve' playing faster than that, live, on a real acoustic drum kit. :icon25:

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:49 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
DRuM wrote:
brisk wrote:Oh, and checkout "54 Cymru Beats" from the same album if you want a lesson in percussion :)
You must be joking, lol. Go check out jo jo mayer with 'nerve' playing faster than that, live, on a real acoustic drum kit. :icon25:
that's what i was afraid of - that it wasn't a kit.

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:52 pm
by brisk
I give in.

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:52 pm
by DRuM
Don Carlos wrote:even 2KThr ??
Dunno DC, is that supposed to be here?


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... 15-0565613

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:55 pm
by DRuM
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
that's what i was afraid of - that it wasn't a kit.

brisk wrote:I give in.
Lol I'm sorry brisk. You do seem overly impressed with music that is programmed. Did you think the drums on that 54 Cymru Beats were real? Or you don't care about real instruments? There are casio keyboards in schools I teach in. Hold down one key, instant drum 'n bass groove! Wow.

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:56 pm
by Don Carlos
brisk wrote:I give in.
*hug*

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:57 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
hey Brisk, i love alot of hardware generated music too, but for you to say to Drum that he'd get a "lesson in percussion" from electronic beats is, well, kinda funny.