a great american...

[Geebs]

# In the United States in 1997 the Department of Health and Human Services revealed that a formal audit had revealed Medicare (the federal health insurance scheme for the elderly and severely disabled) suffers annual losses of $23 billion through fraud and mismanagement. The number of FBI investigations into health care fraud have tripled in the five years upto 1996, with 2200 cases in that year.

i.e., what's a few chicanos compared to what your own people are doing?

[+JuggerNaut+]

# In the United States in 1997 the Department of Health and Human Services revealed that a formal audit had revealed Medicare (the federal health insurance scheme for the elderly and severely disabled) suffers annual losses of $23 billion through fraud and mismanagement. The number of FBI investigations into health care fraud have tripled in the five years upto 1996, with 2200 cases in that year.

i.e., what's a few chicanos compared to what your own people are doing?

no kidding? we have other problems? you're not that stupid, every country has a gang of morons and people that abuse the system. not news doc.

"a few chicanos". right-o.

[[xeno]Julios]

Did you not read anything I say?

Problem 1: Illegal Mexicans
Problem 2: American Enablers (A lot of times they're legal former Mexicans who have come to milk our system that we've been working on for 385 years.) (This includes co-ops, farmers, inside people at places of work such as Wal-Mart human resources pricks who know it's a fake ID but need to fill the super high turnover rate Wal-Mart has, people in politics such as Jeb and George Bush who to get votes do things such as push rumors around that, "Oh yeah, after the election I'll appoint Alberto Gonzales as the Attorney General. I love me some Latinos." and ease pressures off the border, for example when Border Patrol Chief David V. Aguilar ordered the border patrol to cease arrests along the expanse of land the Minute Men were patrolling, to diffuse their effectiveness and get the media off of them to appease the Mexicans.)

Easy way of solving a lot of problems:

1. At least half of the money you make in this country stays in this country if you're a green card worker.
2. Citizenship is a privilege, not a right. Grant citizenship to people who would be assets to our society. They must speak English, have at least a high school education, and be familiar with the way America works. Do you know there is an industry for translators in the border states? Wal-Mart hires these people and therefor are enablers to the Mexicans who refuse to learn English, because they feel it's worth the extra profit they'll get in shitholes where they drop a big box.
3. Serious penalties for convicted "Enablers." Jailtime means nothing. Give them huge fines.
4. Sorry mamacita, the old "get pregnant in the states" trick doesn't work anymore.

My point is that this does not warrant, imo, an attitude of detest toward mexicans.

Think about it from their perspective. It's unlikely that they are aware of the systemic problems that they are a part of.

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# In the United States in 1997 the Department of Health and Human Services revealed that a formal audit had revealed Medicare (the federal health insurance scheme for the elderly and severely disabled) suffers annual losses of $23 billion through fraud and mismanagement. The number of FBI investigations into health care fraud have tripled in the five years upto 1996, with 2200 cases in that year.

i.e., what's a few chicanos compared to what your own people are doing?

$200 Billion annually in lost American wages. Native-born American men lost an average of $1700 in wages in 2000 due to US immigration policy (Harvard University) $311 Billion in uncollected taxes (Barron's study)
U.S. Illegal immigrants cost American taxpayers $68 Billion annually in federal programs in 2002. Mexicans living in the United States send about $15 billion a year home to Mexico.
80% of the violent crime in Arizona is involving illegal aliens. i.e. Homicides, drug trafficking, home invasions, car jackings, gang activity, destruction of our neighborhoods, etc.

The Zogby, Roper, Lou Dobbs and Pew polls show 80 to 90 percent of Americans do not want amnesty given to illegals. They want drastically reduced legal immigration as well as deportation of ALL illegals.

Source: CNN

This year, over three million illegal aliens crossed over our borders against the laws set forth in our Constitution and Federal immigration mandates. These laws are specific. They demand arrest and deportation for anyone within the United States of America without lawful entry. For anyone hiring an illegal alien, these laws provide fines of $10,000.00 per illegal hired and up to five years in prison.

Why isn't anything being done? Corruption. It's time to be vigilant.

These pricks are costing us more than the Iraq and coming Iran war combined.

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Great Americans, part II: http://www.americanpatrol.com/WMV/BORDE ... Y30401.wmv

[Ryoki]

give them the right? they're illegal, until they cross the border through legal channels, they can piss right off.

C'mon man, you have a first world country sharing a border with a third world country... of course you're going to have economic refugees that are willing to do almost anything for a job. You're pretty much denying the problem by using the 'they have no right to be here anyway' argument i think. They don't, no, but they're not going anywhere of course. And i don't think anything short of an Isreali style security wall will stop more from trying to get in.

So you may as well have to ensure that they do pay some taxes and attribute to the economy - or accept that this problem's gonna be around for a while.

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give them the right? they're illegal, until they cross the border through legal channels, they can piss right off.

C'mon man, you have a first world country sharing a border with a third world country... of course you're going to have economic refugees that are willing to do almost anything for a job. You're pretty much denying the problem by using the 'they have no right to be here anyway' argument i think. They don't, no, but they're not going anywhere of course. And i don't think anything short of an Isreali style security wall will stop more from trying to get in.

So you may as well have to ensure that they do pay some taxes and attribute to the economy - or accept that this problem's gonna be around for a while.

again, i detest the employer as much as the illegal working for them. the root cause is the employer, imo, and that needs to be dealt with first. no jobs, less illegals.

[Geebs]

This year, over three million illegal aliens crossed over our borders against the laws set forth in our Constitution.

Yeah, sell that "we were here first" bullshit to Geronimo.

[Ryoki]

again, i detest the employer as much as the illegal working for them. the root cause is the employer, imo, and that needs to be dealt with first. no jobs, less illegals.

How you can detest someone who's only trying to make a living?

I agree the people who hire them are the root of the problem, but i still think the whole giving them higher wages thing is best for everyone involved.

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again, i detest the employer as much as the illegal working for them. the root cause is the employer, imo, and that needs to be dealt with first. no jobs, less illegals.

You've shown flawed logic, for once.

80% of violent crime in Arizona involves illegals. If they can't work in common channels, imagine what sorts they'll work in.

There's nothing wrong with closing the borders for twenty-five years. The ACLU, LULAC, and other organizations will cry bloody murder because they think citizenship is a right, but that's just too bad because it's not.

It would be great for Mexico because if they have to function in their own economy for a few generations, they would rebuild and recreate what they once had.

Mexicans are like high schoolers who join the smart group of kids when it comes time for a group project. They let everyone else do the work, and then they milk the benefits. (Dangling modifier, I know.)

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This year, over three million illegal aliens crossed over our borders against the laws set forth in our Constitution.

Yeah, sell that "we were here first" bullshit to Geronimo.

The Mexicans are not coming for our land. They're coming for our economy. The natives (Bad terminology because they are not native to this continent) didn't establish any part of our economical structure. If you want to get real technical, the closest they come is the fact that many highways were once Indian trails.

Arizona's I-17 for example is thousands of years old.

I'll take that Geronimo comment as a racist jab. How very mature of you.

[Ryoki]

Goddamnit, of course you're gonna do crimes - when you earn less than $2 per hour you're practically forced to steal.

Hey! I know! Higher wages would ensure less crime....

[+JuggerNaut+]

again, i detest the employer as much as the illegal working for them. the root cause is the employer, imo, and that needs to be dealt with first. no jobs, less illegals.

How you can detest someone who's only trying to make a living?

they're illegally here, raising crime stats, and i shouldn't have to press a "1" for English.

[MKJ]

again, i detest the employer as much as the illegal working for them. the root cause is the employer, imo, and that needs to be dealt with first. no jobs, less illegals.

How you can detest someone who's only trying to make a living?

i shouldn't have to press a "1" for English.

heh word
although, if they could have a decent education, that wouldnt be nessecary

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Goddamnit, of course you're gonna do crimes - when you earn less than $2 per hour you're practically forced to steal.

Hey! I know! Higher wages would ensure less crime....

They're forced to steal? It's interesting how when one's logic fails, it's easy for them to throw reason out the window. I would be perfectly happy if they were to come here legally and work those jobs for whatever their rates would be as long as certain criteria are met by the individual. I outlined them on a previous page.

[+JuggerNaut+]

again, i detest the employer as much as the illegal working for them. the root cause is the employer, imo, and that needs to be dealt with first. no jobs, less illegals.

You've shown flawed logic, for once.

80% of violent crime in Arizona involves illegals. If they can't work in common channels, imagine what sorts they'll work in.

There's nothing wrong with closing the borders for twenty-five years. The ACLU, LULAC, and other organizations will cry bloody murder because they think citizenship is a right, but that's just too bad because it's not.

It would be great for Mexico because if they have to function in their own economy for a few generations, they would rebuild and recreate what they once had.

Mexicans are like high schoolers who join the smart group of kids when it comes time for a group project. They let everyone else do the work, and then they milk the benefits. (Dangling modifier, I know.)

i'm not so sure that crime for illegals "pays" better here or not - i've never been across THAT border nor do i know firsthand what monies are being made.

i still stand on what i said about the employers, though. if there are no jobs, they're either forced to get citizenship, go back to Mexico or lead a life of crime. i have no idea about those stats, but i'm hoping the latter is the least road travelled. (doubtful)

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How you can detest someone who's only trying to make a living?

i shouldn't have to press a "1" for English.

heh word
although, if they could have a decent education, that wouldnt be nessecary

In regards to the last word, I've muffled my guffaw in order to not distract from the point of your post.

It's not our responsibility to educate foreigners. We should not hire translators. I would never go to work in France without learning to speak Fruitcake first. If I didn't feel that way, I'd definitely hire my own translator. America should not bear these burdens.

[+JuggerNaut+]

How you can detest someone who's only trying to make a living?

i shouldn't have to press a "1" for English.

heh word
although, if they could have a decent education, that wouldnt be nessecary

and i don't necessarily think it's their fault either. whatever corportations or organizations are behind the conformity of melding the Spanish language into our society - that's who's to blame. the easier they make it for a non English speaking citizen/illegal to get by, the less they want to learn the language.

[Ryoki]

they're illegally here, raising crime stats, and i shouldn't have to press a "1" for English.

You'd rather they stay in their own country and be poor & hungry? How very Austrian of you.

They're raising crime stats because they are underpaid and undereducated. These are largely solvable issues.

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again, i detest the employer as much as the illegal working for them. the root cause is the employer, imo, and that needs to be dealt with first. no jobs, less illegals.

You've shown flawed logic, for once.

80% of violent crime in Arizona involves illegals. If they can't work in common channels, imagine what sorts they'll work in.

There's nothing wrong with closing the borders for twenty-five years. The ACLU, LULAC, and other organizations will cry bloody murder because they think citizenship is a right, but that's just too bad because it's not.

It would be great for Mexico because if they have to function in their own economy for a few generations, they would rebuild and recreate what they once had.

Mexicans are like high schoolers who join the smart group of kids when it comes time for a group project. They let everyone else do the work, and then they milk the benefits. (Dangling modifier, I know.)

i'm not so sure that crime for illegals "pays" better here or not - i've never been across THAT border nor do i know firsthand what monies are being made.

i still stand on what i said about the employers, though. if there are no jobs, they're either forced to get citizenship, go back to Mexico or lead a life of crime. i have no idea about those stats, but i'm hoping the latter is the least road travelled. (doubtful)

Or stay here and lead a life of crime. It would be the obvious choice, since they're already criminals on our land. It would not make sense for them to go to Mexico which has a staggeringly bad economy.

Who would pay more for crystal meth, a white suburban druggy punk, or Rodrigo De La Perra Flaca?

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they're illegally here, raising crime stats, and i shouldn't have to press a "1" for English.

You'd rather they stay in their own country and be poor & hungry? How very Austrian of you.

They're raising crime stats because they are underpaid and undereducated. These are largely solvable issues.

So it's our responsibility to solve their issues for them???

If you ever spoke to Mr. Spock, his eyebrow would fall off from raising it in disbelief so rapidly.

[+JuggerNaut+]

they're illegally here, raising crime stats, and i shouldn't have to press a "1" for English.

You'd rather they stay in their own country and be poor & hungry? How very Austrian of you.

They're raising crime stats because they are underpaid and undereducated. These are largely solvable issues.

we can't even take care of our own, much less another country's.

[Ryoki]

In regards to the last word, I've muffled my guffaw in order to not distract from the point of your post.

It's not our responsibility to educate foreigners. We should not hire translators. I would never go to work in France without learning to speak Fruitcake first. If I didn't feel that way, I'd definitely hire my own translator. America should not bear these burdens.

Don't be such a fucking prick, pointing out spelling errors in sentances of someone whose primary language is not English.

I don't think it is reasonable to expect that someone speaks acceptable English before he sets foot in the US at all, but i do agree that once they are where they are they should make a serious effort to learn the language. But you understand of course there's no way they'll actually do that if it's not considered a 'burden of America' and gets federal funding etc. If you make it a personal responsability the problem will continue, because people are lazy fuckers.

[Ryoki]

So it's our responsibility to solve their issues for them???

If you ever spoke to Mr. Spock, his eyebrow would fall off from raising it in disbelief so rapidly.

I'm saying that by half accepting immigrants (yes to cheap labor, no to paying them what you'd pay an American) you've created most of the problems you speak of yourselves.

[MKJ]

i shouldn't have to press a "1" for English.

heh word
although, if they could have a decent education, that wouldnt be nessecary

In regards to the last word, I've muffled my guffaw in order to not distract from the point of your post.

It's not our responsibility to educate foreigners. We should not hire translators. I would never go to work in France without learning to speak Fruitcake first. If I didn't feel that way, I'd definitely hire my own translator. America should not bear these burdens.

unless you can spell the dutchee word for "necessary", shut it.

but i agree. i think its quite retarded for someone to move to another country without learning the spoken language. its something that bugs me to no extent here in dutcholand as well :@