#IStandWithAhmed

[Silicone_Milk]

So now circuit board + display now = bomb ?

Srsly ?, and not only that, the schools 1st reaction wasn't to evacuate the school, the police didn't call the bomb squad - they both knew it wasn't a bomb. He told his engineering teacher and he understood that it was a clock. Ahmed was arrested for a hoax bomb, despite telling his teachers that it was a clock, despite his engineering teacher determining it to be a clock, despite the police confirming it was a clock and at no point was it hinted at by Ahmed that it was a bomb but instead making repeated attempts to explain that it was a clock.

Trying to defend the actions of the school or police is fucking retarded, this shouldn't have gotten past the head teacher / principle let alone lead to his arrest.

This is without taking into account for thinking a bomb actually looks like a bomb from Die Hard if anyone actually thought it was a bomb

Nobody said it was a bomb. They said it was a hoax-bomb as in "intended to look like it could be a bomb with the intention to make people alarmed". They didn't evacuate the school because it wasn't a bomb despite the fact that it looked like somebody was doing their level best to trick people into thinking it might be.

Why are people missing the distinction between bomb and hoax-bomb? And yeah, it's illegal to bring hoax bombs into school to cause a scare. In fact, two high school senior girls got arrested for putting alarm clocks in an empty locker as a senior prank - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/2 ... 52382.html

[losCHUNK]

I know, I said that in what you quoted...

[Silicone_Milk]

Sorry. I was focused on the very first sentence in your post and then started addressing the lack of school evacuation + arrest.

But yeah. They didn't evacuate because they considered it to be a hoax-bomb and not a real bomb but a hoax-bomb nonetheless. Of course he's going to try to get out of dealing with any consequences of it if he intended for it to be a hoax-bomb-thats-really-a-clock. Like I said in a previous post, what else would he have said? "Yeah it's a hoax-bomb you got me,"? No, he's going to maintain that it's a clock and hope he gets away with it.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

mmmmmmmmuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[losCHUNK]

Sorry. I was focused on the very first sentence in your post and then started addressing the lack of school evacuation + arrest.

But yeah. They didn't evacuate because they considered it to be a hoax-bomb and not a real bomb but a hoax-bomb nonetheless. Of course he's going to try to get out of dealing with any consequences of it if he intended for it to be a hoax-bomb-thats-really-a-clock. Like I said in a previous post, what else would he have said? "Yeah it's a hoax-bomb you got me,"? No, he's going to maintain that it's a clock and hope he gets away with it.

He approached the teacher that it was intended for and explained that it was a clock, the school knew it wasn't a bomb, he never said it was a bomb but a clock, it alarmed no one apart from the English teacher who said it *looks like a bomb* when he explained to her that it was a clock and she must have believed him because if she had any concerns she would've evacuated the class. There was nothing misleading or anything that hinted towards him trying to deceive people into thinking it was a bomb, there was no reason for people to think this was a bomb, no one actually thought it was a bomb !

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They didn't evacuate the school because it wasn't a bomb despite the fact that it looked like somebody was doing their level best to trick people into thinking it might be.

It looked like that to you. It looked like a school project to me.

[Silicone_Milk]

Sorry. I was focused on the very first sentence in your post and then started addressing the lack of school evacuation + arrest.

But yeah. They didn't evacuate because they considered it to be a hoax-bomb and not a real bomb but a hoax-bomb nonetheless. Of course he's going to try to get out of dealing with any consequences of it if he intended for it to be a hoax-bomb-thats-really-a-clock. Like I said in a previous post, what else would he have said? "Yeah it's a hoax-bomb you got me,"? No, he's going to maintain that it's a clock and hope he gets away with it.

He approached the teacher that it was intended for and explained that it was a clock, the school knew it wasn't a bomb, he never said it was a bomb but a clock, it alarmed no one apart from the English teacher who said it *looks like a bomb* when he explained to her that it was a clock and she must have believed him because if she had any concerns she would've evacuated the class. There was nothing misleading or anything that hinted towards him trying to deceive people into thinking it was a bomb, there was no reason for people to think this was a bomb, no one actually thought it was a bomb !

That's the distinction that keeps being missed for some reason - no one actually thought it was a bomb but people did think the kid was being a little shit who wanted his 'project' to look like it might be a bomb. For a prank? To stick it to the Man? Because his activist dad and upset sister told him to? Who knows. It certainly doesn't come across as just an innocent attempt to show off the clock he purchased.
The teacher it was intended for advised him to not go around showing this to other people. Then the fuckin thing starts beeping in the middle of English class. And the kid himself said he took steps before bringing it to school to make it look less suspicious which indicates he realized the clock was suspicious as hell.

[Silicone_Milk]

They didn't evacuate the school because it wasn't a bomb despite the fact that it looked like somebody was doing their level best to trick people into thinking it might be.

It looked like that to you. It looked like a school project to me.

The day this happened I was on his side and then the facts started coming in and they don't add up. I initially thought "school project" as well and that the kid was being victimized for being Muslim and then it turns out he didn't even make the clock. He bought it. It wasn't his project so why is this fucker going around saying that he feels like he's not a person because all he wanted to do was to show off his invention? It's not his invention. It's a sham. This took all credibility from him and now has me questioning what actually happened because all we have is his side of the story. His parents refuse to sign the release form to allow the school and police to talk about the incident in any detail to share their side of what happened.
It's suspicious. Like his clock.

[losCHUNK]

So he didn't show other teachers ?, like he was asked to ?

By not looking suspicious you talking about when he said he closed the power cable up with the box ?, so it wouldn't looks suspicious ?, and now he did a bad thing ?

Him trying to con his teacher for whatever reason into thinking he did something good is besides the point. He may consider dismantling and re-assembling a clock to be an invention, the kid is like 14/15 ?, he was prolly just proud that he could break something down into its component parts.

The police have released statements about his arrest n all.

[Silicone_Milk]

I can't determine that since I've read conflicting stories on whether he showed other teachers or kept it hidden.
I quoted him saying he wanted to make it look not so suspicious (by wrapping the power cable up or whatever). Why would he think it'd be suspicious if it were just a humble home-made clock? Why are people shocked that others see anything but a simple home-made clock by a genius electronic engineer?

He didn't re-assemble anything. I posted a video on the previous page of a demo replicating the kid's clock in a few seconds by taking the case off an existing clock and dumping it into the same pencil box he had. He's retarded if he considers that to be his own invention at the age of 14 or to even be proud of knowing how to work a screwdriver so he could remove the clock case.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

I know someone else who is retarded...

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

(you silicone milk)

[losCHUNK]

He said himself the clock went off cos he plugged it in when he was showing another pupil, but he did as he was told and didn't show any other teachers. The clock beeped when he plugged it in, when the teacher requested Ahmed show her the clock, she said it looks like a bomb, he explained it was a clock, the class continued and he was arrested later in the day. And it wouldn't look like a homemade clock with a power cable hanging out the side of a case would it !?, Jesus fucking christ !

I havn't seen any stories that have conflicted with this.

He re assembled the clock inside a pencil case too, he dissembled it from one housing and assembled it in another, and he might be retarded for showing an interest even if it's just dismantling something but like I said it's all besides the point.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Seriously, Silicone you must be a very afraid individual.

[Silicone_Milk]

He said himself the clock went off cos he plugged it in when he was showing another pupil, but he did as he was told and didn't show any other teachers. The clock beeped when he plugged it in, when the teacher requested Ahmed show her the clock, she said it looks like a bomb, he explained it was a clock, the class continued and he was arrested later in the day. And it wouldn't look like a homemade clock with cables hanging out an un-identified case would it !?, Jesus fucking christ !

I havn't seen any stories that have conflicted with this.

He re assembled the clock inside a pencil case too, he dissembled it from one housing and assembled it in another, and he might be retarded for showing an interest even if it's just dismantling something but like I said it's all besides the point.

What I read is that it went off while it was in his backpack which alerted the English teacher.

He didn't have to touch a single wire on the clock. He took some screws out of a case and dumped the contents into his pencil case. Nobody is saying showing interest in electronics by taking them apart if retarded. Going around saying you made something you didn't and giving people false impressions is though. The level of interest he has or doesn't have isn't the issue; the issue is that his entirely believable story starts falling apart when it turns out he didn't create the clock like he claimed and had put no effort into putting the parts together. What is he so proud of that he wants to show his teachers? He didn't do any work. So then why is he even bothering to bring it to school?

Seriously, Silicone you must be a very afraid individual.

Being skeptical of something because the facts aren't jibing with what's being said is not the same as being scared of something.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

You've gone beyond being skeptical. You're fashioning a narrative that is very hard to believe.

[losCHUNK]

Where did you see it beeped in his bag ? You also said you seen reports saying he did show other teachers ?

Maybe he was trying to get his teachers to think he did something good, maybe he wanted to show the teacher the different components, maybe he thought this was what engineering was, maybe he wanted to look like an ultimate hax in front of the other school kids or teachers but NOTHING suggests he tried passing it off as a bomb.

He told everyone it was a clock, he showed his teacher it was a clock, he did as he was told and didn't show any other teachers, no one thought it was a bomb, the school and police determined it wasn't a bomb and later admitted he didn't try deceiving anyone into thinking it was a bomb (hence the dropped charges).

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

The fear runs deep.

[losCHUNK]

Also when I was in high school some kid brought a household cordless phone into school and tried passing it off as a mobile -

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She ended up getting a belly larger than her tits and no teeth, but never under estimate the power of a 14 yr olds stupidity when they think they're onto a winner.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

[Eraser]

I'm surprised by Eraser here. It's fair enough to take his stance, but the fact that he can't even fathom how someone could interpret a circuit board and a clock as something suspicious is itself unfathomable.

Not least because in America, there's some lunatic kid every week blowing some shit up or shooting a bunch of people.

I never said that. I literally said that I understand someone can be confused about what it is (which you'd have known if you had actually read the thread). I just think this whole thing could and should be handled without getting the police, handcuffs and detention centers involved.

The irony here is that the (negative) attention people claim Ahmed was seeking is exactly what he got through the overblown reaction from the people around him.

[Eraser]

lol, and people say I find it hard to accept someone else's point of view.

I repeatedly tried to explain to Silicone Milk that his background, the amount of engineering or even his intentions have little to do with how, on the spot, school and police decided to handle this. That's the only point I'm trying to make, yet Silicone Milk rambles on with his crazy conspiracy theories.

[Eraser]

What I read is that it went off while it was in his backpack which alerted the English teacher.

Which is kind of difficult considering the power cable needed to be plugged in for it to operate.

[Silicone_Milk]

Where did you see it beeped in his bag ? You also said you seen reports saying he did show other teachers ?

Maybe he was trying to get his teachers to think he did something good, maybe he wanted to show the teacher the different components, maybe he thought this was what engineering was, maybe he wanted to look like an ultimate hax in front of the other school kids or teachers but NOTHING suggests he tried passing it off as a bomb.

He told everyone it was a clock, he showed his teacher it was a clock, he did as he was told and didn't show any other teachers, no one thought it was a bomb, the school and police determined it wasn't a bomb and later admitted he didn't try deceiving anyone into thinking it was a bomb (hence the dropped charges).

This isn't the original source for where I read it but it says the same thing about the clock being in the backpack at the time it started going off - http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... -to-school

Ahmed says making the clock was easy because he does more complicated stuff like "building CPUs and soldering them."
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At around 1:35 or so.

If this kid is building CPUs and shit why wouldn't he have brought that in to school to show his teacher? That shit's amazing. Why did he think a clock was even worth showing off to anybody if he's making significantly more complicated and more interesting things at home?

Like I said, of course he told people it was a clock. Nobody is going to go around saying "check out this hoax bomb I made isn't this cool?"

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Saying somebody's homemade clock looks like a bomb isn't equivalent to going around saying he must be an isis member ready to blow shit up because he's Muslim. The kid's religion has absolute nothing to do with how his clock looks.

[Eraser]

Oh shit guys, I figured it out. The real problem isn't the click-may-be-bomb thing, it's that we're dealing with a bona fide juvenile plagiarism mastermind, passing off someone else's clock as his own. 20 years to life for this kid I say.