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Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:02 pm
by Ryoki
seremtan wrote:needless to say, some Western govts will use this as an opportunity to roll out some half-arsed Potemkin legislation that does nothing other than give the appearance that they're doing something
Oh look, it's already started:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... nick-clegg

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:34 pm
by Eraser
Cameron: Put a backdoor into your encrypted chat software or we'll ban it:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015 ... -ban-them/

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:20 pm
by Don Carlos
Yeah it's absolute bullshit

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:56 pm
by syp0s
This is what's wrong with the world, really. Everyone will complain about Cameron's intention to backdoor these services, but complaining is a tacit acceptance of his overall authority.

The reaction should simply be "Oh, you want to backdoor these services? Terrible idea, let's all just vote him out".

Done.

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:23 pm
by Eraser
One doesn't exclude the other.

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:26 pm
by Eraser
Also, it's not that easy. Cameron might be the best of a selection of evils. Or you might actually support the other 90% of his ideas. Unfortunately you can't vote on individual issues, so you either take the 10% you don't like with the 90% you do like, or you choose someone you can only agree with on, say, 60% of the political ideas and then watch that person ruin the other half of the country.

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:48 pm
by losCHUNK
If anyone votes for David they need their head examined. He barely made it in last time.

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:15 pm
by seremtan
Ryoki wrote:
seremtan wrote:needless to say, some Western govts will use this as an opportunity to roll out some half-arsed Potemkin legislation that does nothing other than give the appearance that they're doing something
Oh look, it's already started:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... nick-clegg
if he thinks fucking with encryption (which we know NSA/GCHQ already do anyway) is such a boost to anti-terrorism then why didn't he suggest it years ago? unless of course it is, as i said, opportunistic Potemkin lawmaking

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:16 pm
by seremtan
losCHUNK wrote:If anyone votes for David they need their head examined. He barely made it in last time.
he didn't make it in at all, unassisted

but let's not kid ourselves into think Labour would have been better. if Dave proposes banning encrypted apps, Ed will go along with it in an attempt to burnish his 'not a hopeless dweeb' credentials

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:51 pm
by losCHUNK
seremtan wrote:
losCHUNK wrote:If anyone votes for David they need their head examined. He barely made it in last time.
he didn't make it in at all, unassisted

but let's not kid ourselves into think Labour would have been better. if Dave proposes banning encrypted apps, Ed will go along with it in an attempt to burnish his 'not a hopeless dweeb' credentials
Aye, just taking into consideration of his other policies also. It wouldn't surprise me to see Ed copy his blue brother but with the privatisation of the NHS /education, cut backs on spending, decline in working people (but a rise in part time employment), abysmal growth, rise in personal and national debt, falling incomes, rising costs to living, bankers bonuses, taxes and evasion, the utter failure of the welfare reform, promising more austerity, tuition fees plus everytime a Tory government gets into power they rise the VAT with the promise of reducing it again and the list goes on.

Not saying Labour could fix all that, but in this scenario they are the lesser of the 2 evils. Labour generally have been a bit more open about freedoms n all I think ?, I know they gave us the freedom of information and opened up investigations into shit liek the bloody sunday massacre ?. With that said the guy that got shot on the tube after 7/7 got forgotten about :shrug:

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:49 pm
by Don Carlos
syp0s wrote:This is what's wrong with the world, really. Everyone will complain about Cameron's intention to backdoor these services, but complaining is a tacit acceptance of his overall authority.

The reaction should simply be "Oh, you want to backdoor these services? Terrible idea, let's all just vote him out".

Done.
Cameron is sadly the least shitty of a shitty bunch of sticks. I wouldn't trust Ed to sit on a toilet the right way and I think if Clegg got in he'd just shit himself. Nige is a bellend and the Greens don't have much of an agenda if you look at their policies. I know some people who work at Plaid Cymru and I wouldn't want them in power; far to flippant and reactionary for my liking.

Sadly, for the second election in a row I will either vote for someone so someone else doesn't get in or I won't vote at all.

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:45 pm
by seremtan
Memphis wrote:Should just ban all food. I mean, obviously, it helps criminals to have food. Criminals are eating food and using this to commit crimes. Also roads. Ban all roads. Criminals are using roads to go places and commit crimes. Everyone will be issued a box, where you shall be safe, inside your box and we can watch all the terrorists in their boxes. This has been a party political broadcast, by the usual bunch of cavernous clunges.
This has been a party political broadcast on behalf of the National Thumbsuck Party

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:54 pm
by syp0s
Don Carlos wrote:
Cameron is sadly the least shitty of a shitty bunch of sticks. I wouldn't trust Ed to sit on a toilet the right way and I think if Clegg got in he'd just shit himself. Nige is a bellend and the Greens don't have much of an agenda if you look at their policies. I know some people who work at Plaid Cymru and I wouldn't want them in power; far to flippant and reactionary for my liking.

Sadly, for the second election in a row I will either vote for someone so someone else doesn't get in or I won't vote at all.
What a lot of people don't realise about Ed Milliband is that he is aggressively opposed to big business. I'm trying to think of the right word, because it's an innate revulsion he has to it, rather than a policy. To the point where it has, and continues to damage his credibility as a politician by not flirting with corporations in the same way other politicians do. Most of what people think of Ed Miliband has been presented and packaged by a media entity that stands to suffer immensely in the event of a labour win with him as leader. He courts none of them. He's arguably the first in ridding the world of the current breed of super-capitalist politician.

At the very least, Ed would pick administrators that don't exist for the sole purpose of redistributing the wealth of this country into the pockets of a few oligarchs, which is what both Dave and Clegg do.

I'm not voting for Ed, by the way. I'm voting Green. We need to save the planet.

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:32 pm
by losCHUNK
Won't vote Green, Pippa Bartolotti is the leader of the Welsh Greens and if I ever meet her again I'll rip her tits off. She's also the candidate for my area.

And she drives a V8 Jag.

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:45 pm
by losCHUNK
Don Carlos wrote:
syp0s wrote:This is what's wrong with the world, really. Everyone will complain about Cameron's intention to backdoor these services, but complaining is a tacit acceptance of his overall authority.

The reaction should simply be "Oh, you want to backdoor these services? Terrible idea, let's all just vote him out".

Done.
Cameron is sadly the least shitty of a shitty bunch of sticks. I wouldn't trust Ed to sit on a toilet the right way and I think if Clegg got in he'd just shit himself. Nige is a bellend and the Greens don't have much of an agenda if you look at their policies. I know some people who work at Plaid Cymru and I wouldn't want them in power; far to flippant and reactionary for my liking.

Sadly, for the second election in a row I will either vote for someone so someone else doesn't get in or I won't vote at all.
Really ?, David ?, the guy who made Youtube vidoes telling his daughter to shut up and leaving his new kid in a pub and only remembering after driving a few miles away ?. The guy is an incompetent bellend.

Ed may look like a character in Wallace and Grommit but as far as shit goes he seems a less of a pushover then tghe blue coat.

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:08 pm
by scared?
These terror attacks are only happening because the west won't stay the fuck out of the middle East etc...

These attacks were political.... The Charlie hebdo target was just a two birds with one stone thing...

So basically it's western govt's fault this happened... As usual...

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:05 pm
by Don Carlos
losCHUNK wrote:And she drives a V8 Jag.
:olo:

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:42 pm
by PhoeniX
[youtube]2RMvSC1sXMQ[/youtube]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-30819779

I think this is probably our best option so far.

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:51 pm
by seremtan
in a joke democracy, the joke candidate wins

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:11 am
by Captain
Speaking of jokes, France's "free speech" double-standard:
But the ink does not always flow free in France, which leads the Western world in crackdowns on free speech. Holocaust denial is a crime, and denying the Armenian genocide nearly became one in 2012. French legal history is choked with cases of bloggers, celebrities, and ordinary folk being dragged through the courts on charges of defamation or hate speech. Worse still, when the ink does flow, it predictably steers clear of powerful sacred cows, while baiting and stifling the usual suspects. If the French don’t learn the lessons of the Paris attacks and fail to confront the free-speech double standards that divide the country today, blood — not ink — will continue to flow.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/13/fra ... -offender/

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:28 am
by Eraser
I'll one-up you right there Mazda:

http://news.yahoo.com/turkish-police-ch ... 25627.html

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:40 am
by Ryoki
Captain Mazda wrote:Speaking of jokes, France's "free speech" double-standard:
But the ink does not always flow free in France, which leads the Western world in crackdowns on free speech. Holocaust denial is a crime, and denying the Armenian genocide nearly became one in 2012. French legal history is choked with cases of bloggers, celebrities, and ordinary folk being dragged through the courts on charges of defamation or hate speech. Worse still, when the ink does flow, it predictably steers clear of powerful sacred cows, while baiting and stifling the usual suspects. If the French don’t learn the lessons of the Paris attacks and fail to confront the free-speech double standards that divide the country today, blood — not ink — will continue to flow.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/13/fra ... -offender/
That's interesting, but very much from an overseas perspective.

Holocaust denial especially is a tricky subject when it comes to the freedom of expression debate. A lot of countries have illegalized it reasoning that denial of the holocaust incites hatred and violence against a specific ethic group of people, and there's certainly more than something to be said for that. European countries especially have very strict laws regarding these things because of obvious historic reasons - it's also illegal to sell Mein Kampf, display a swastika flag in public, etc.

I'm not very familiar with that French comedian that is mentioned, but i did read a couple of things about him in the last couple of years - he's a vicious antisemite and holocaust denier from what i know. Fuck that guy for his opinion on that - but good luck prosecuting him for his Charlie Hebdo remarks... while vile i'd wager it's going to be pretty hard to argue it doesn't fall under freedom of expression.

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:46 am
by losCHUNK
PhoeniX wrote:[youtube]2RMvSC1sXMQ[youtube]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-30819779

I think this is probably our best option so far.
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Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:06 pm
by Eraser
Ryoki wrote:That's interesting, but very much from an overseas perspective.

Holocaust denial especially is a tricky subject when it comes to the freedom of expression debate. A lot of countries have illegalized it reasoning that denial of the holocaust incites hatred and violence against a specific ethic group of people, and there's certainly more than something to be said for that. European countries especially have very strict laws regarding these things because of obvious historic reasons - it's also illegal to sell Mein Kampf, display a swastika flag in public, etc.

I'm not very familiar with that French comedian that is mentioned, but i did read a couple of things about him in the last couple of years - he's a vicious antisemite and holocaust denier from what i know. Fuck that guy for his opinion on that - but good luck prosecuting him for his Charlie Hebdo remarks... while vile i'd wager it's going to be pretty hard to argue it doesn't fall under freedom of expression.
I think holocaust denial should be allowed just as well as selling Mein Kampf. Not being allowed to deny the holocaust happened won't stop people from denying it. And besides, 99.9% of the people on this planet won't deny the holocaust because they let the evidence speak for itself.

Re: More mentally defunct pisslamist chimps.

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:26 pm
by Ryoki
By that logic we shouldn't have laws at all; not being allowed to steal cars doesn't stop people from doing so either. Never took you for such an anarchist to be honest!

In any case, personally i'm unsure about whether holocaust denial should be illegal or not - denying the holocaust implies radical, very racist ideas about jews and how they supposedly manipulate the world and are completely evil. Not at all sure that shouldn't be legally discouraged as i don't see what postive effects could possibly result from it. I also think that your 99.9 percentage is wildly optimistic, the vast majority of the muslim world is convinced it's all lies and in most of Asia they don't even know who this Hitler person even was...

I fully agree on the Mein Kampf thing though, aside from the fact that it's a very important historic document i'm of the opinion no book should ever be illegal.