I have a new opinion of pit bulls

Post by **Hannibal** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:41 pm

R00k wrote:Yea, what pisses me off the most about this whole thing is that my friend has never said a word of apology, or acted in any way like he felt responsible for what happened.

Fuck that guy. Make a snausage necklace for him, tie his arms and legs together and chuck his ass into your local Animal Control's holding pen.

Post by **bikkeldesnikkel** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:12 pm

J should've been the first to stop his dog since the owner has to know how to handle his dog. Apparently he's not fit to own one.

Plus, leaving your dog with unfamiliar people/dogs is pretty stupid. Don't have a dog myself so feel free to correct me.

Post by **mjrpes** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:34 pm

R00k wrote:Yea, what pisses me off the most about this whole thing is that my friend has never said a word of apology, or acted in any way like he felt responsible for what happened.

Anyone who doesn't have the word 'sorry' in their vocabulary and names their pet 'John' should be put to sleep.

Post by **Pooinyourmouth** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:10 pm

Your "friend" should be paying your vet bill.

Also you really do need to take your dog to the vet in case of infection. My friend let his Australian Shepard play with a little poodle type dog and it bit the shit out of his shoulder. The next day the Shepard could hardly walk. When he took him to the vet they gave him a shot and shaved his shoulder (which was starting to swell to twice it's size). He is back in good health now, but he wont let his dog play with any other dogs but mine now.

Oh and doombrain you sound just like a KKK grand wizard all upset about blacks with that attitude. You are prejudice of something you don't know or understand. You've made it clear you got most of your information about pitbulls from sensationalist media.

I wish more people would stop and read this site for real info:

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/

Post by **CaseDogg** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:12 pm

R00k wrote:Yea, what pisses me off the most about this whole thing is that my friend has never said a word of apology, or acted in any way like he felt responsible for what happened.

what a dick! that's not a real friend cuzzin.

Post by **Doombrain** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:37 pm

Pooinyourmouth wrote:Your "friend" should be paying your vet bill.

Also you really do need to take your dog to the vet in case of infection. My friend let his Australian Shepard play with a little poodle type dog and it bit the shit out of his shoulder. The next day the Shepard could hardly walk. When he took him to the vet they gave him a shot and shaved his shoulder (which was starting to swell to twice it's size). He is back in good health now, but he wont let his dog play with any other dogs but mine now.

Oh and doombrain you sound just like a KKK grand wizard all upset about blacks with that attitude. You are prejudice of something you don't know or understand. You've made it clear you got most of your information about pitbulls from sensationalist media.

I wish more people would stop and read this site for real info:

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/

eer, no. i just don't like them. soz.

Post by **R00k** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:08 am

I went to the vet earlier. Metzger had a puncture wound. We couldn't see it because the skin around it had puffed up and mostly closed it. They cut it and cleaned it out, and put 5 staples in his neck. He's still a little groggy from the anesthesia.
It's hard to describe the feeling. You bond with a dog and raise it from 8 weeks old, but I guess you don't really understand how close you are to it until you see a near-fatal wound and realize what could have happened.
When I say near-fatal I don't mean it almost killed him. I mean that we were very lucky it didn't hit a vein or an artery. If it had, this would have been much different story.

I've got some antibiotics to give him. The vet says he should be just fine in a couple of weeks though.

I left a message for my friend telling him I expect him to pay for the bill. It was extremely hard for me not to be absolutely livid and tell him what an irresponsible cunt I thought he was.

And looking at my dog with his neck shaved, and staples and minor lacerations surrounding it - I'm sure it looks worse than it really is, but this must be what it feels like for parents when their kids are injured. It gives me a whole new appreciation for the hell I must have put my parents through growing up.

Post by **Underpants?** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:28 am

Doombrain wrote:nasty shitty fucking things. no use to anyone, ever. they should all be put the fuck down. in fact, i'll fucking do it if you like.

I've never met a pit-bull that I didn't feel this way about. They're nothing but muscular, mutant tailless rats with a hideously disproportionate mouth and beady little kick me in the fucking head eyes.

That said, I'm an avid dog person with a rotty and boxer mix, who's had to defend wife and both the aforementioned from one of those hell-mutts

Glad your pooch and the women weathered the whole thing well, Rookie my man

Post by **menkent** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:33 am

when your dog dies, will you ask for the day off from work so you can stay home and cry?

Post by **Pete** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:33 am

My father who like all types of animals got his arm really badly severe by my cousin’s pit bull. In To Canada, they don’t allow you to possess one any more.
Sorry, I didn’t read your whole post but my idea of it is done…No pit bull.
They were raised to fight in wars and since then, it seem that they never learnt to do otherwise. Sorry for them, may be it is our fault but we see almost every week in the news that some kid has been bitten and disfigured from one of them. You wouldn’t want to see your infant disfigured?

Post by **Underpants?** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:36 am

lol infant *
*pete appreciation\

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:41 am

a pit bull would not leave an infant disfigured if it went at one

it wouldn't leave much of anything

Post by **Nightshade** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:53 am

Oh for fuck's sake, neither would a goddamn Dalmatian or a fucking Shar-pei.
Assholes.

Post by **R00k** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:03 am

Underpants? wrote:
Doombrain wrote:nasty shitty fucking things. no use to anyone, ever. they should all be put the fuck down. in fact, i'll fucking do it if you like.
I've never met a pit-bull that I didn't feel this way about. They're nothing but muscular, mutant tailless rats with a hideously disproportionate mouth and beady little kick me in the fucking head eyes.

That said, I'm an avid dog person with a rotty and boxer mix, who's had to defend wife and both the aforementioned from one of those hell-mutts

Glad your pooch and the women weathered the whole thing well, Rookie my man

Thanks. I've always felt roughly the same way as you about pits, but I've never tried to say that people shouldn't be able to own them.

But seeing that mongrel's behavior this weekend, completely unprovoked, and knowing that he's been trained, been to obedience school, and that he goes to the dog park every couple of weeks and runs around with other dogs.... It makes me question the bloodlines and genetics. It's obvious to me that his dog was a descendant of pits that were bred for "gameness" and fighting abilities.

Sure there are dogs that are descendants of different stock, and might not have the same behavioral instincts. But seriously, how would you know until it's too late?

Just treat them like they're all killing machines until you know differently -- it's the only way to be 100% safe around them.

Post by **Nightshade** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:06 am

Unfortunately, the dogs that come from these lines have to be put down. If we want to continue to have this fine breed, and I don't care what anyone says, good Pits are GREAT dogs, then it has to happen. The real problem is the douchebags that breed them to be aggressive.
But, as I've said, I'm very wary around Pits myself, as I am with ANY powerful dog. It's folly to act otherwise.

Post by **horton** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:41 am

Nightshade wrote:Unfortunately, the dogs that come from these lines have to be put down. If we want to continue to have this fine breed, and I don't care what anyone says, good Pits are GREAT dogs, then it has to happen. The real problem is the douchebags that breed them to be aggressive.
But, as I've said, I'm very wary around Pits myself, as I am with ANY powerful dog. It's folly to act otherwise.

None of them need to be put down, if people bred for temprement, didnt breed any of the overly aggresive ones and made sure that everything that wasnt a well behaved angel, from a line of well behaved angels was neautered - there would be far less problem dogs.

Its a cunt, but whatever breed is popular with thugs, is going to be the problem dog, if 50 cent had a poodle on his next CD cover, then idiots would be buying poodles, and training them to be aggresive.

Post by **R00k** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:04 am

And inexperienced breeders would start breeding poodles, without any eye for temperament, to sell to those idiots, and pretty soon there would be a massive number of ill-bred poodles in neighborhoods that don't know how to behave, and require an experienced hand to train them to be socialized.

I have a rottweiler, so I'm sympathetic to the plight of the pits and their good owners, along with all the other breeds which have become popular with irresponsible people. I have had close to a dozen people tell me that my dog has completely changed their perception of rottweilers. I'm proud of that because it means I've done a good job and all the time and hard work I've put into my relationship with my dog has paid off - but at the same time I hate it because I think it's a shame that a dog with so many awesome characteristics can have such a bad reputation to begin with.

So it's a problem with the inexperienced people who breed them, and the irresponsible people who buy from those breeders (usually without knowing any better).

And I think I'm one of the most reasonable people you will find on this subject. In fact, I'd challenge anyone to be as objective and open-minded as I am, while having to see their dog in this condition:

It tears me up badly.

I'm not calling for any kind of ban on pit bulls, and I'm not trying to say that people shouldn't be allowed to have them. I'm just saying that, after going through what I did, it's going to take a lot of convincing to let my dog anywhere near another one again - I probably never will. And, when I hear people saying that they don't want their dogs near pit bulls, I'm no longer going to be the guy saying "Oh, it's just the ones with extremely neglectful owners you have to worry about."

Post by **R00k** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:26 am

menkent wrote:when your dog dies, will you ask for the day off from work so you can stay home and cry?

heh, I missed this gem.

Gramps actually crossed my mind around page 2 of this thread. I had to take the day off work today to take Metzger to the vet -- I guess I'm an irresponsible slacker of the worst kind.

Post by **Hannibal** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:34 am

TOO MUCH SODA! hope your woof woof is on the mend.

Post by **Dave** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:35 am

r00k, you're dog isn't living up to his name.. He should have torn that pit bull limb from limb

Post by **R00k** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:51 am

He's never been in a dog fight in his life - not even a scuffle.

The first time he got jumped, he was more than holding his own. But as soon as I grabbed the other dog, he stopped fighting. I'm the pack leader, and I'll take care of it. I was frankly amazed that he did that - I felt like the fucking Dog Whisperer or something.

The second time, the pit bull jumped over my right shoulder from behind me while Metzger was sitting and letting me scratch him. He never had a chance in hell.

I've taken great pains to never let him get in a situation that would lead to a fight, and to always be close by in case something got out of hand.

There's no place in today's world for mean dogs, and I'm not going to let mine develop those tendencies - if I can help it, I don't even want him to see them.

Owning a rotty is an uphill battle when it comes to other people's perception/reaction to them. I was more proud of my dog this weekend than I've ever been.

Everyone there commented on how obvious it was that he had been well-trained. That's my boy. *sniff*

The worst part is feeling like I let him down -- he looks to me for protection, not the other way around.

Post by **R00k** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:56 am

Hannibal wrote:TOO MUCH SODA! hope your woof woof is on the mend.

Thanks. We've been giving him plenty of belly rubs and good eats, per doctor's orders.

You said you bred labs for a while before - were you an AKC registered breeder?

edit: coca cola is a vice. i can't stop drinking the stuff, it's just so delicious.

Post by **Dave** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:04 am

R00k wrote:He's never been in a dog fight in his life - not even a scuffle.

The first time he got jumped, he was more than holding his own. But as soon as I grabbed the other dog, he stopped fighting. I'm the pack leader, and I'll take care of it. I was frankly amazed that he did that - I felt like the fucking Dog Whisperer or something.

The second time, the pit bull jumped over my right shoulder from behind me while Metzger was sitting and letting me scratch him. He never had a chance in hell.

I've taken great pains to never let him get in a situation that would lead to a fight, and to always be close by in case something got out of hand.

There's no place in today's world for mean dogs, and I'm not going to let mine develop those tendencies - if I can help it, I don't even want him to see them.

Owning a rotty is an uphill battle when it comes to other people's perception/reaction to them. I was more proud of my dog this weekend than I've ever been.

Everyone there commented on how obvious it was that he had been well-trained. That's my boy. *sniff*

The worst part is feeling like I let him down -- he looks to me for protection, not the other way around.

lol... you know his name means "butcher" in german, don't you?

Post by **R00k** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:15 am

Yep, but there's more backstory to the name than that.

http://www.resteddoginn.ca/name.php

edit: by "more than holding his own," I mean he had the pit's entire face in his mouth by the time I got over to break them up.
He's a quick and powerful dog.

Post by **Hannibal** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:17 am

No, nothing that fancy. My dad did it, mainly for the local 'hunting dog' market. He also did basic obedience and retriever training. My contribution consisted of: a) entertaining an army of puppies in our heated garage and (b) finding new and exciting targets for the dummy launcher.