xp or vista ?

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Iccy
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Post by Iccy »

Sigh. Why are people such cunts for no reason. Fine, the patch is downloading ill indulge your desire to measure the e-penis sinc eim frustrated at this lame patch.


first of all sir. your mistake, through out this thread, is the assumption of information and my view points without asking me what i mean.
Your self serving desire to be right vastly underminds any attempt at valuable conversation. But blah blah, ripping into is a waste of my time.
Just know that your approach was flawed unless all you wanna do is " own and crush " as which point you win sir cause i have better things
to do then argue about things that your not understanding.

So here we go.
If you're reading one of the many forums full of nerds who whine about every last software release from every last vendor on the planet then yes, you could probably find some of them comparing Vista to ME. That said, it doesn't make that information any more correct. If you Google hard enough you can find a group of nerds whining about pretty much anything. You state you're a technician though and should know how to spot BS information such as the quote you just made. If you know anything about the built-in compatibility mode at all then most of those problems can be solved with a few mouse clicks. Most major antivirus vendors have Vista compatible software out already but you're right, older versions aren't going to work. But then again, any technician worth his salt knows that AV products should stay updated and that older software versions are more prone to errors and incompatibility.
I dont read forums, i take my knowledge from in field evaluation. I talk with real technicians who actually work with these issues. And oh yea, i am one of those technicians that has run into these problems in the field myself. So your evaluation that its " nerds on forums " that compare vista to winME is crushed and completed owned. Thank you have nice day. I dont care what certs you pull out of your ass, i dont care the petistal your e-penis whispers in your ear and tells you your on, your not fucking god of MS and OS's. Fact. Vista has been indeed been modified from its original design plans to meet a deadline much in the way that winME was. So therefore a comparison between the two and their failure to meet promised and expected performance and feature levels is valid.

Now, as far as your claims that AV software and popular tax software and many other front running tools of everyday ( this is a important part here so note it on your textpad) use to the average user do indeed NOT work. Yes, its all nice that these little docs you read claim they do, but you get out in the field my friend and tell me how well norton works, or how most of the tax software doesnt work or how the games crash and how the OS blue screens when your install wireless adapters infront of my fucking eyes and the only response from the companies is " we dont support vista but we are working on it ". If you are arguing against this FACT, then you sir are full of complete shit and apprentlly worth less salt then you your ego tells you. Next.
Aero is an entirely new interface which renders everything in 3D. OF COURSE its going to take up more memory but if you have 1-2GB of RAM it shouldn't really matter. It has far better caching and memory management than XP does and makes better use of unused system memory. On decent hardware it will run just as quickly as XP will. I support Vista on a test bed and am currently running it at home and on my system at my main network and notice no difference in speed. Office 2007, on hte other hand, seems clunky still compared to 2003 but thats a different topic.
See this is where you become clear to me. for a man that talks so much about people who claim they are MS certified and how much they arent worth, you sure due quote a lot text on how things SHOULD run vs real world application. Any technician worth his salt would know "/rolls eyes" that whats written on the pretty little article from MS on how things should work, doesnt mean that when its put together on a machine doing REAL WORLD multitasking, that these things function as well as the little pdf file you downloaded claim. But thank you for validating that it does indeed run slower.


Oh im sorry, the patcher is done and my desire to blast you has left. Its just gonna take too much time to properly put you in your place, to validate mine, to admit you have this point right and that point wrong and that i have this right and maybe that wrong. I got better things to do /shrug.




Look man, i respect you usually, but you have been nothing but a cunt in this thread. You need to back off your little high horse and do some more real world interaction on multiple hardware platforms and lay off the text so much. There is much in this thread you said thats valid and you probably got me on a few points, but fact is your piss poor representation and desire to place me in a inferior position negates the true worth of a discussion like this. Learning.

But hey man, no worries. If you cant get past me crushing you in this thread and leaving you wanting more, ill talk to you in another thread that isnt as boring to me due to the choice of your communication style.

Peace !

On to vanguard weeee !!2112!
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Iccy wrote: I dont read forums, i take my knowledge from in field evaluation. I talk with real technicians who actually work with these issues. And oh yea, i am one of those technicians that has run into these problems in the field myself. So your evaluation that its " nerds on forums " that compare vista to winME is crushed and completed owned. Thank you have nice day. I dont care what certs you pull out of your ass, i dont care the petistal your e-penis whispers in your ear and tells you your on, your not fucking god of MS and OS's. Fact. Vista has been indeed been modified from its original design plans to meet a deadline much in the way that winME was. So therefore a comparison between the two and their failure to meet promised and expected performance and feature levels is valid.
Did you actually think I am pulling my information from a couple of MS links and some PDFs? You're right though, I'm not a "god of Microsoft and OS' :olo:" but I am an IT manager and lead consultant for 3 corporate networks and assign tasks to techs like you every day, so don't even start on "talking with people who actually work on issues". My own certs were only brought up to clarify that I have them and still don't think they're worth anything without experience to back them.

Vista was modified from MS' original plans so that they could get a properly working OS out the door on time rather than something half-assed which is what it would have been had they not dropped features. MS usually drops features before shipping an OS though so this shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone. One of the many reasons they needed to make that deadline has been well publicized since some major corporations had signed up for Software Assurance and hadn't seen an OS during the terms of their agreements and wanted return on their investment.

Iccy wrote:
Now, as far as your claims that AV software and popular tax software and many other front running tools of everyday ( this is a important part here so note it on your textpad) use to the average user do indeed NOT work. Yes, its all nice that these little docs you read claim they do, but you get out in the field my friend and tell me how well norton works, or how most of the tax software doesnt work or how the games crash and how the OS blue screens when your install wireless adapters infront of my fucking eyes and the only response from the companies is " we dont support vista but we are working on it ". If you are arguing against this FACT, then you sir are full of complete shit and apprentlly worth less salt then you your ego tells you. Next.
Most of that software has available patches or can be made to work of you download the Application Compatibility Toolkit and spend some time working out the file and registry access required (something I've unfortunately done and will probably have to do again). Most of the time though the built-in compatibility settings are fine as long as there aren't any driver-level components involved.

Vista hasn't come as a surprise to software teams, they've had a couple years and multiple betas and release candidates along with a ton of resources from MSDN in order to help them get their apps and drivers ready. Failing all of that though, there is a compatibility check thats part of the fucking OS install for God's sake! If people can't read the text on their screen then they shouldn't be surprised when the driver flagged as incompatible is actually, *gasp* incompatible with the new OS. Blue screens due to a shittily written driver isn't the fault of the OS vendor, its the fault of the user who ignored the warnings and the hardware vendors who hasn't bothered to prep drivers for a product they've known about for years. As for antivirus software the current versions of Norton ('06 and '07) work just fine. It's the 2005 version of Norton AV and non-updated 2006 versions that people are having problems with and thats hardly a big shock. Btw, there is a free Vista upgrade for 2006 Norton users if you just check Symantec's site.
Iccy wrote:
See this is where you become clear to me. for a man that talks so much about people who claim they are MS certified and how much they arent worth, you sure due quote a lot text on how things SHOULD run vs real world application. Any technician worth his salt would know "/rolls eyes" that whats written on the pretty little article from MS on how things should work, doesnt mean that when its put together on a machine doing REAL WORLD multitasking, that these things function as well as the little pdf file you downloaded claim. But thank you for validating that it does indeed run slower.
If you actually read my previous post you'd see my comment was about Office 2007 being clunky compared to Office 2k3, it had nothing to do with the host OS. That said, its funny you mention the "real world". I'm in the middle of testing Vista for roll-out on two networks using a couple dozen hardware platforms and different driver sets using Windows Deployment Services and Group-policy pushed software installs to completely automate the process. Its also the OS used on both my home machine, laptop, and main work machine so yeah, its been put through it's paces in "real world multitasking" and has done just fine.

I hear from bitter PC repair techs like you all the time at conferences and user groups and they all seem to have turned bashing MS into some kind of sport. Its funny because without that same company most of those same techs wouldn't be employed but that fact somehow eludes them :shrug:.
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iccy, step down.
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or play disk at chain.
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Post by plained »

hey Iccy
thanks for ur efforts i appreciate them.

still tho i would not bother with torm, he most def has some issues.
it is about time!
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He’s trying to educate you. After all, you did ask for peoples advise.
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actually he's not, he doen give a shit bout me.

he jus say a bunch of irrelevent stuff and "fight to be right"

its common
it is about time!
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Post by Grudge »

fuck off, retard
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Post by plained »

ey whats up there grudge?

hey fwiw i think that shirt look great on you !

have you worked out?, you look strong!

i like the way you move :drool:

can i get you a nice cookie or something?
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Grudge wrote:fuck off, retard
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Post by mjrpes »

Tormentius, how can you live in a world with so many stupid people? It must be so tough :(
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Post by R00k »

I think Iccy's points are valid in this thread. His experiences come from home users and small businesses, while Torm's come from a larger, more structured environment.

Plained was asking about Vista on a home PC that's being used for a home business.

Iccy's posts are completely relevant and should be taken into consideration, because not every home user wants to deal with the hassle of using compatibility tools to make all their applications work, when they will work straight out of the box with XP.

It's no secret that there are a lot of things that still need to be ironed out with Vista, and I personally think anyone who is already planning an upgrade to Vista on a company network is jumping the gun.

Smart companies don't upgrade to new technologies the minute they come out, because it takes a lot of work to get everything back to an even keel and running smoothly, the way the business likes to operate. It is much wiser to let others go through all this trouble for you, and stand on their shoulders once all the fixes/patches/upgrades have been developed and widely used.

Just my $.02.
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Post by Lieutenant Dan »

dzjepp wrote:
Doombrain wrote:soon no one will be using XP so if you're going to get a crappy PC you might as well get vista and be done with it.
xp support will continue until 2009.

rofl, no one is holding a gun to your head
Isn't Windows 2000 supported until 2010?

Is it a different type of support?

Extended or something?
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Post by R00k »

http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/se ... pport.mspx


Overview
• On June 30, 2005, the Windows 2000 product family enters the Extended Support phase, which continues for at least 5 years through June 2010.
• Microsoft offers a minimum of 10 years' support (5 years Mainstream plus 5 years Extended) for business and developer products. The Microsoft support life-cycle policy provides predictable coverage of Microsoft products and continues to set the standard for product support policies industry-wide.
• Microsoft is not ending support for Windows 2000. During the Extended Support phase, Microsoft continues to provide security hot fixes and paid support but no longer provides complimentary support options, design change requests, and non-security hotfixes.*

Note: The Update Rollup for Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 (SP4) is the final release of Windows 2000.
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