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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:47 am
by MidnightQ4
Freakaloin wrote:everyone knows iran does not have a nuclear weapons program...this is just silliness...
"The latest comments come a day after Britain, France, Germany said they would call for an emergency meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) over Iran on February 2-3."
Ya I'd say it seems nobody is worried about it.
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:54 am
by Kills On Site
I believe any action will be done with the UN, the entire world doesn't like Iran having nukes.
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:00 am
by Captain
seremtan wrote:Turbine wrote:I have not read all of the comments of the 2 page thread, but I want to comment on why there will not be a war in Iran any time soon.
First of, Russia builds Iran's Nuclear Generators for power, and they get a lot of money for that. Next, Iran all so has a lot of oil. And a major factor of it is exported to China. China's economy is on the rise and they will require -and all ready do- a lot more oil.
The UN nations have been in talks, every day for the past number of weeks on the subject of forwarding Irans actions to UN Security Resolution. Now due to this fact both Russia and China, due to their economic interest in the matter before hand, have been trying to stall the progress. They have done this in the past, and it has worked.
If severe sanctions are placed on Iran, and especially in the US should decide to invade, due to economic interest of raising national Oil reserves. They would in turn eliminate a big chunk of China's Oil reserves, and the US would all so see this as a plus as China's rising economy is a direct threat to US's economy. Plus, Russia would lose their multi-billion dollar contracts, and being dry on money Russia would not like this. Now this would be a good thing for the US, as Russia would now not have large money founds to support it's Armed Forces. Thus, China and Russia would not be happy, not to mention Iran.
China, Russia, Iran, this would present some powerfully enemies to the US. A situation in to which North Korea would be more than glad to jump in to, given their dislike of the US grip on major Eastern Hemisphere assets.
In conclusion, no war any time soon.
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those are good enough reasons why a UNSC resolution against iran would be a hard sell to russia and china, but not good reasons why a war or attack of some sort won't happen. you have after all just listed all the reasons why the US would want such a war, and furthermore the US isn't renowned for its concern for the UN or international law. nor for that matter is israel
it makes more sense to see the US 'use' of the UN not so much as a desire to do things legally but as a desire to create a veneer of pseudo-legality that can be sold to domestic doubters. if the UN refuses to play ball, they can simply switch to plan B, which is to accuse the UN of 'irrelevance' or (as in the case of iraq) pretend publicly that previous resolutions provide all the pretext they need. or they could simply indulge in a propaganda campaign against russia and china, claiming that they oppose war for 'selfish economic reasons' (as they did with france viz iraq) - which ironically are the very same reasons the US wants to attack iran in the first place
most likely israel will unilaterally strike at iranian nuclear targets and claim 'self-defence', a ridiculous orwellian claim the US will be only too happy to back
"Orwellian". Well said Seremtan.
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:28 am
by Freakaloin
MidnightQ4 wrote:Freakaloin wrote:everyone knows iran does not have a nuclear weapons program...this is just silliness...
"The latest comments come a day after Britain, France, Germany said they would call for an emergency meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) over Iran on February 2-3."
Ya I'd say it seems nobody is worried about it.
lol...same morons that said iraq had wmd's...u a moron too?...
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:29 am
by Freakaloin
Kills On Site wrote:I believe any action will be done with the UN, the entire world doesn't like Iran having nukes.
they don't have nukes and won't...
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:39 pm
by seremtan
MidnightQ4 wrote:Freakaloin wrote:everyone knows iran does not have a nuclear weapons program...this is just silliness...
"The latest comments come a day after Britain, France, Germany said they would call for an emergency meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) over Iran on February 2-3."
Ya I'd say it seems nobody is worried about it.
britain = US lackey
france, Germany = try to kiss 'n' make up with US after opposition to iraq war
midnightQ4 = slightly dumb for thinking this sudden 'concern' over iran is genuine and uncontaminated by any ulterior motives
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:59 pm
by Freakaloin
heres the real reason...uh besides oil...its all connected really...
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e11613.htm
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:45 pm
by seremtan
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:02 pm
by Freakaloin
but with a new twist...i fuck men!!!...
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:17 pm
by Duhard
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:42 pm
by Turbine
Holly fucking shit, have you read that article?
It makes absolute fucking sence. Every question that I was unable to find a answer to is there.
Fuck. I don't know what else to say.
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:57 pm
by Freakaloin
u can thank me later...
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:33 pm
by Turbine
Thank you, Freakaloin. You have shown me a great fact that I was missing from my media venues.
This has lead me in to further research and I have found a article that expands greatly on the facts raised by the article you posted.
Petrodollar Warfare: Dollars, Euros and the Upcoming Iranian Oil Bourse
Here:
http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html
March 20th, 2006 is where it's all at.
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:37 pm
by Freakaloin
hehe...i was gonna post that one first...but i figured there were too many morons here for that...
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:56 pm
by Turbine
Well it is a great article. And I love all the references listed on the bottom.
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:46 pm
by seremtan
the news of the intended iranian oil bourse trading in euros has been around for while, but the bbc, which has loads of articles about the iranian nuclear energy program, appears to have nothing about the oil bourse
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:49 pm
by R00k
Of course not - none of the US media has been reporting on the Petro-Euro stuff - except maybe blurbs and bylines, but nothing significant.
What's new?
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:16 pm
by S@M
Furthermore, the geopolitical stakes for the Bush administration were raised dramatically on October 28, 2004, when Iran and China signed a huge oil and gas trade agreement (valued between $70 - $100 billion dollars.) [20] It should also be noted that China currently receives 13% of its oil imports from Iran. In the aftermath of the Iraq invasion, the U.S.-administered Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) nullified previous oil lease contracts from 1997-2002 that France, Russia, China and other nations had established under the Saddam regime. The nullification of these contracts worth a reported $1.1 trillion created political tensions between the U.S and the European Union, Russia and China. :icon28:
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:22 pm
by Freakaloin
Turbine wrote:
March 20th, 2006 is where it's all at.
hilarious...look at the date they clain iran is gonna test a nuke...rofl...
http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelli ... 5725-6399r
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:18 pm
by R00k
Tehran is planning a nuclear weapons test before the Iranian New Year on March 20, 2006 says a group opposed to the regime in Tehran.
Un-fucking-believable. They take one, obviously biased, and completely anonymous source, and publish the story with no countering claims.
Not only that, the writer of the article didn't even talk to these 'anonymous sources.' Instead, they took the word of an organization that exists to promote regime change in Iran, who said they have "sources in Iran," and made a complete, published story out of it, with no fact-checking whatsoever.
Can you hear the war drums beating? Fucking liberal media, I tell you.
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:31 pm
by Freakaloin
msm is completely controlled by govt...
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:47 pm
by seremtan
lol, what crap. maybe these anonymous sources are using 'nuke' as a metaphor for the oil market, which is going to 'detonate' over the US economy in march 2006
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:50 pm
by jester!
Honestly, I wont be shocked at all if Iran gets invaded, and with the Conservitives looking to form the next Canadian government guess who else will be there right along with the Americans?
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:30 pm
by Captain
Fucked up for me since I live in Canada but with all my family in Iran. Basically I can worry about Americans nuking my whole family AND my house.
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:38 pm
by Freakaloin
if we attack iran, we will lose...
