no no no no no no no no

[Foo]

fags arent illegal, a portion of the public does smoke..

A portion of the public does various other things which impact other peoples health. Murder is illegal. Why? Some people want to do it so they should be allowed right?

An absurdly extreme example, but it highlights the point that if your activities hurt others, you do '''not''' have some magical right to engage in them.

If this post causes you to look back to the point of being allowed to do it in your own home, fair enough. I'm not disputing that. But then it does raise the further question of what about when your kids are in the house, does one have the right to damage their health?

[losCHUNK]

ps, somehow i dont think losCHUNK shud have started this topic.

i think its my longest thread to date

[Foo]

having a 4 foot wide hallways and 6 fire exits instead of 4 is different from smoking in a public area, you dont wanna smell smoke, dun come near me then

So your position is that you as a smoker have the right to make everyone around you move out of your way, and stay away from any area you might be near, or suffer health consequences?

You know that's absurd.

Following on from this logic, it's acceptable for me to walk down a crowded street spraying shit. you dont wanna smell of shit, dun come near me then.

[losCHUNK]

having a 4 foot wide hallways and 6 fire exits instead of 4 is different from smoking in a public area, you dont wanna smell smoke, dun come near me then

So your position is that you as a smoker have the right to make everyone around you move out of your way, and stay away from any area you might be near, or suffer health consequences?

You know that's absurd.

no ive already told you, a smoking area would be fantastic, or that licence scheme... but that option is not even valid anymore

[Ryoki]

So your position is that you as a smoker have the right to make everyone around you move out of your way, and stay away from any area you might be near, or suffer health consequences?

You know that's absurd.

Following on from this logic, it's acceptable for me to walk down a crowded street spraying shit. you dont wanna smell of shit, dun come near me then.

Perhaps a better analogy would be driving a car.

[RooKie]

how come your not aloud mobiles in a car but your aloud to smoke. you may say because you have to concentrate at 2 things but i still think its wrong

[MKJ]

Jesus christ, you non smokers are incredibly intolerant.
Ever heard a smoker complain about non smokers? I think not! That because we're friendly people, relaxed and mellow.

We were there at your side for years in those pubs, only occasionally asking for a light and usually not making a fuss about that whole non-smoking behaviour of yours. But now you introduce an apartheid system? Bastards!

is that why you tried (and failed :P ) to quit over 18 times?

[glossy]

aye mun, just like i like to drink, theres no point to do it other than doing it

Except that alcohol decreases your inhibitions below their normal levels and this allows for various social benefits. With smoking, the releif and relaxation felt after a cig is just contrast to the withdrawl symptoms felt beforehand.

Also, alcohol consumption has no direct impact on those around you, unlike smoking. Alcohol if over-indulged can lead to violence/illness, but in moderation it's fine.

Why am I even giving you this pseudo-science lecture? I don't feel I should be preaching when the relevant information is preached *everywhere* consistently.

cigs offer many social effects, too. i've formed friendships with people on nothing other than the basis of "hey, can i bum a cig mate?" (no lie, that's how it's started). Alcohol can make people angry drunk and unneccisarily violent, and in some places you really wouldn't want to walk around after 11pm due to the drunkard groups stumbling home picking fights with anything they see.

A friend of mine's brother's funeral was two days ago (on my birthday, while we were at the pub -- we all had a drink for him), and he died of Alcohol poisoning.

The worst that a quitting smoker has to put up with, in terms of withdrawl, is being pissed off, cravings, and sometimes headaches. Alcohol withdrawl kills people, and in less severe cases will incapasitate the withdrawlist for a few days up to some weeks (unless treated by a doctor, which brings this down with medication)

i'm done with my rant because i'm tired and i wanna go have a smoke, but some random stuff:
Nearly 50 percent of cancers of the mouth, pharynx, and larynx are associated with heavy drinking.
Ethanol interferes with synaptic firing and causes the death of brain cells.
Alcoholism is the most common cause of hepatic cirrhosis / liver cancer.

It's not all roses and sunshine, anywhere you look.

[glossy]

Jesus christ, you non smokers are incredibly intolerant.
Ever heard a smoker complain about non smokers? I think not! That because we're friendly people, relaxed and mellow.

We were there at your side for years in those pubs, only occasionally asking for a light and usually not making a fuss about that whole non-smoking behaviour of yours. But now you introduce an apartheid system? Bastards!

i like the way you think.

[losCHUNK]

and youll prolly find that the diesil bus is horsing out my cancerous shit than my lungs

[Foo]

While accomplishing a useful task.

I'm all for greener fuels too, so it's moot.

[MKJ]

and youll prolly find that the diesil bus is horsing out my cancerous shit than my lungs

so why contribute?

[Guest]

Yeah they did that around here last year. It probably killed all pub/restaurant/bar buisnesses in half. Most of them shut down and the ones still open are struggling. I quit smoking a couple days ago too ironicly.