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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:45 pm
by Freakaloin
3 years eh? how many plants? 1 or 2?

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:51 pm
by Duhard
Freakaloin wrote:3 years eh? how many plants? 1 or 2?
no homo..we've been growing more than 1000 plants in my area..too bad our 10000+ plants got copped in St-Hyacinthe or I'd be a billionnaire by now..hmmm maybe next year..jellus?

lots of jellus moronoids in here..maybe addicted

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:15 pm
by Scourge
Kracus wrote:I'm not saying there are adverse affects I'm just saying the craving to go smoke a joint IS there. It might be easy to tolerate if you need to but there is a craving which would indicate somekind of addictiveness. You guys can fucking say it doesn't exist all you want but I've experienced it and know better. So this isn't a being right or wrong this is fact I know because I've experienced it.
No, it wasn't. I know as fact that it didn't happen to me. I'm sorry you can't admit that some people don't experience dependancy like you do. Cigarettes on the other hand I've been having a harder time with because they are addictive. I understand what you're saying as I've seen people that have the cravings when they are out. But not everyone does.

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:19 pm
by losCHUNK
you get dependant on the buzz i believe

the weed isnt addictive

i remember reading it somewhere anyway

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:38 pm
by Guest
Yeah, if you put it that way.

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:32 pm
by [xeno]Julios
Massive Quasars wrote:
seremtan wrote:
Massive Quasars wrote: epiphenomenalist? :icon30:
physicalist - exact opposite.
He's not being entirely clear. If he had said every mental event had a physical cause (in one direction only) it would be epiphenomenalism.
i prefer not to commit to a given theory of mind, which is why I talk about mental events being correlated in some way with physical events.

But even this is presupposing a distinction between mental and physical, so the way I phrased the original statement isn't really compatible with identity theories of mind, or hardcore physicalism.

I like conceiving of the mind/brain in an epiphenomenal manner (MQ you were correct in picking that out) just for the sake of theoretical utility (there is a certain accuracy about epiphenomenalism in that at least we are preserving the toplogy of physical activity) but I also think the identity theorists may be onto something.

Honestly, the mind body problem is one that I've never been able to come to terms with.

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:33 pm
by losCHUNK
Kracus wrote:Yeah, if you put it that way.
also believe the article said only 10% suffered from the dependency

sure it was on ask frank

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:38 pm
by Freakaloin
[xeno]Julios wrote:
Massive Quasars wrote:
seremtan wrote: physicalist - exact opposite.
He's not being entirely clear. If he had said every mental event had a physical cause (in one direction only) it would be epiphenomenalism.
i prefer not to commit to a given theory of mind, which is why I talk about mental events being correlated in some way with physical events.

But even this is presupposing a distinction between mental and physical, so the way I phrased the original statement isn't really compatible with identity theories of mind, or hardcore physicalism.

I like conceiving of the mind/brain in an epiphenomenal manner (MQ you were correct in picking that out) just for the sake of theoretical utility (there is a certain accuracy about epiphenomenalism in that at least we are preserving the toplogy of physical activity) but I also think the identity theorists may be onto something.

Honestly, the mind body problem is one that I've never been able to come to terms with.


WTF?

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:47 pm
by [xeno]Julios
Freakaloin wrote:
WTF?
http://www.meaningoflife.tv

watch the dennett interview

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:51 pm
by Massive Quasars
[xeno]Julios wrote: i prefer not to commit to a given theory of mind, which is why I talk about mental events being correlated in some way with physical events.

But even this is presupposing a distinction between mental and physical, so the way I phrased the original statement isn't really compatible with identity theories of mind, or hardcore physicalism.

I like conceiving of the mind/brain in an epiphenomenal manner (MQ you were correct in picking that out) just for the sake of theoretical utility (there is a certain accuracy about epiphenomenalism in that at least we are preserving the toplogy of physical activity) but I also think the identity theorists may be onto something.

Honestly, the mind body problem is one that I've never been able to come to terms with.
I too find philosophy of the mind difficult, I haven't really staked out a position from which to defend (even as I find some arguments more convincing than others in reading). Though I'm relatively confident humans don't have classical free will.

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:04 pm
by [xeno]Julios
yea i always appreciate these discussions :)

btw the big problem with epiphenomenalism is that we are able to conceive and talk about consciousness. Which kinda suggests consciousness is not causally sterile since it causes us to talk about it.

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:10 pm
by Guest
scourge34 wrote:
Kracus wrote:I'm not saying there are adverse affects I'm just saying the craving to go smoke a joint IS there. It might be easy to tolerate if you need to but there is a craving which would indicate somekind of addictiveness. You guys can fucking say it doesn't exist all you want but I've experienced it and know better. So this isn't a being right or wrong this is fact I know because I've experienced it.
No, it wasn't. I know as fact that it didn't happen to me. I'm sorry you can't admit that some people don't experience dependancy like you do. Cigarettes on the other hand I've been having a harder time with because they are addictive. I understand what you're saying as I've seen people that have the cravings when they are out. But not everyone does.
Or any of us try to stop to post and read this forum cold turkey.
I wonder if any of you can and what would be the side effect

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:17 pm
by hate
4days wrote:if you quit smoking dope after smoking heavily for a long time, it can mess your stomach up for a while. i don't know the science of it, but it can.


how so...

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:18 pm
by hate
Freakaloin wrote:
[xeno]Julios wrote:
Massive Quasars wrote: He's not being entirely clear. If he had said every mental event had a physical cause (in one direction only) it would be epiphenomenalism.
i prefer not to commit to a given theory of mind, which is why I talk about mental events being correlated in some way with physical events.

But even this is presupposing a distinction between mental and physical, so the way I phrased the original statement isn't really compatible with identity theories of mind, or hardcore physicalism.

I like conceiving of the mind/brain in an epiphenomenal manner (MQ you were correct in picking that out) just for the sake of theoretical utility (there is a certain accuracy about epiphenomenalism in that at least we are preserving the toplogy of physical activity) but I also think the identity theorists may be onto something.

Honestly, the mind body problem is one that I've never been able to come to terms with.


WTF?
someone read a book..

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:39 pm
by 4days
hate wrote:
4days wrote:if you quit smoking dope after smoking heavily for a long time, it can mess your stomach up for a while. i don't know the science of it, but it can.


how so...
like i said, i don't know. but i quit cigarettes a while back (started having them with beer again :( ) and quit dope at the same time. complained to the nurse who was monitoring me for the quitting smoking thing that i'd been getting really bad gastric reflux and she said that she'd seen similar problem a lot before with people who suddenly stopped smoking lots of weed.

thinking about it though, that's just as likely to be behavioural as anything else.

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:27 pm
by Freakaloin
lol...my wife is an anesthetist and she thinks the nurse who told u that is a moron...she says...any questions?...

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:42 pm
by tnf
Freakaloin wrote:lol...my wife is an anesthetist and she thinks the nurse who told u that is a moron...she says...any questions?...
does she bring home good stuff from work?

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:54 pm
by hate
4days wrote:
hate wrote:
4days wrote:if you quit smoking dope after smoking heavily for a long time, it can mess your stomach up for a while. i don't know the science of it, but it can.


how so...
like i said, i don't know. but i quit cigarettes a while back (started having them with beer again :( ) and quit dope at the same time. complained to the nurse who was monitoring me for the quitting smoking thing that i'd been getting really bad gastric reflux and she said that she'd seen similar problem a lot before with people who suddenly stopped smoking lots of weed.

thinking about it though, that's just as likely to be behavioural as anything else.
interesting...

stomach/abdominal issues are no fun

even harder to diagnose

which sucks like duhard

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:55 pm
by hate
Freakaloin wrote:lol...my wife is an anesthetist and she thinks the nurse who told u that is a moron...she says...any questions?...

ever cram an intubation tube in her ass?

good stuff

use some epi first of course

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:37 am
by Duhard
god I owned this thread...

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:49 pm
by SmokeyTreats
Freakaloin wrote:
Ryoki wrote:Did your supplier get arrested or something? :)
i supply myself moron...questions?
How did you get your wife to go along with that?
I suggested growing our own to mine and she freaked out screaming shit like "we could lose the house!".

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:01 pm
by Hannibal
[xeno]Julios wrote:
Honestly, the mind body problem is one that I've never been able to come to terms with.
There is a great artcle by Peter van Inwagen which links our conceptual capacities to the apparent insolubility of mind/body problem. But fuck me I can't remember the title....I'll drop it in here if I can find the relevant book.

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:11 pm
by Massive Quasars
The source is a book?

I found a book by Peter van Inwagen on google, it may not be the book you're referring to but I'll throw it out there anyways.

http://print.google.com/print?hl=en&id= ... TG-1h9rAaI

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:14 pm
by Freakaloin
SmokeyTreats wrote:
Freakaloin wrote:
Ryoki wrote:Did your supplier get arrested or something? :)
i supply myself moron...questions?
How did you get your wife to go along with that?
I suggested growing our own to mine and she freaked out screaming shit like "we could lose the house!".
lose the house? where do u live...china?

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:44 pm
by SmokeyTreats
Freakaloin wrote:
lose the house? where do u live...china?

No, Massachusetts. I showed her this but she is just to scared.

She is paranoid and dosen't even smoke. :tear: