Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:36 am
i was actually ffs'ing about the image.Dave wrote:fixed... :/+JuggerNaut+ wrote:ffsDave wrote:yeah, he looks fine to me:
what the hell? who wrote the this crappy board?
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:38 am
That's the AOL sanitized version too+JuggerNaut+ wrote:i was actually ffs'ing about the image.Dave wrote:fixed... :/+JuggerNaut+ wrote: ffs
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:39 am
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:50 am
Well actually, now that you call me on it, I really feel differently...dont be an idiot. That's how I feel about the "hurt" factor. If I'm not hurt more than a few minutes by it then I'm not "hurt", or at least I dont see that as cause to get in an uproar. If he causes me bodily harm, being an injury that's sustained, then I'll be pissed. Heck, I might as well sue friends for giving me bruises on my arm by punching me. People interact physically sometimes, in jest or in anger. Folks have a really stupid idea IMO that handling someone in anger is illegal and hideously wrong. That's fine, but its not my view. It's not how I feel.+JuggerNaut+ wrote:is that how you feel?Canis wrote:I dont know why he felt he needed to do that, and I'm not being ridiculous. That's how I feel.+JuggerNaut+ wrote:give me a break Canis, that's ridiculous. you still didn't address your opinion of why the officer felt he needed to do that?
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:56 am
the word "hurt" or "hurting" to most people is probably defined as very uncomfortable all the way to extremely uncomfortable.
being sucker punched in the gut would fit in that category. don't be an idiot.
being sucker punched in the gut would fit in that category. don't be an idiot.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:00 am
I'm not going to go into definitions with you, but i've repeatedly told you how I feel about the situation, so stop trying to use the way you think I'm supposed to feel as a logical argument against my position on this case.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:01 am
*sucker punches Canis in the gut*
ok.
Canis wrote:I'm not going to go into definitions with you, but i've repeatedly told you how I feel about the situation, so stop trying to use the way you think I'm supposed to feel as a logical argument against my position on this case.
ok.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:03 am
Sucker punch me and you'll get hit back. The other dude is a cop dealing with an interference in a case.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:04 am
The second I see the guy laying face down in a pool of his own blood, his guilt and innocence becomes irrelevant... especially when his fucking crime was 'public intoxication' on Bourbon Street in the French Quarter. No one ever did that before... Isn't everyone publicly intoxicated?
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:12 am
After looking at the video again, I see no place where the guy was sucker punched in the gut. Nothing convinces me of that. The policeman had him by the collar and front of his jacket, and was shaking him by it. There is one place where another guy obscures the actions of the policeman, and this is where it's possible he punched him, but his hands were in the same place before and after the obstruction in the video, and the reporter didnt wince or show any sign that he was punched during this time. Additionally, if the guy was "hurt" in one bit, he'd have been clutching the area of his wound instead of standing around looking naively bewildered. Based on that video, this guy doesnt have much of a case against the cop on this account.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:19 am
How can you say that when he's obviously lying in a pool of his own blood? Honestly man, I think you're trying to defend one of the shakiest positions possible. I know that no one has ever changed their mind by arguing on the internet, but the at least 4 on 1 attack lodged against this guy and the obvious damage to him is unignorable. For christ's sake, he's obviously 'hurt'
If it comes out that he wasnt even drunk as he claims, that's one more mark against the cops.
I find it odd that other guy who "obscures the actions of the policeman" is another friggin policeman.
If it comes out that he wasnt even drunk as he claims, that's one more mark against the cops.
I find it odd that other guy who "obscures the actions of the policeman" is another friggin policeman.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:24 am
Dave, we're talking about the reporter who gets shaken against the car to the right, not the black guy....
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:26 am
Well, then my faith in you is restored
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:26 am
*Whew* 
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:28 am
Julios speaks wisely.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:40 am
This has been my stance on every single thread posted here about police violence.[xeno]Julios wrote:
If you can't control yourself in those sorts of situations you don't belong in the force.
period.
Some people might want to look at "mitigating circumstances" that created the violent situation...but that's besides the point. If someone generally can't control themselves and is violent towards other people "simply because they feel like it" then they aren't the right person for the job. Simple as that.
They're cops...their job is to bring a violent situation to a close...not start one. It's the same as a bouncer in a bar...his job is to keep the violence at a minimum...not create it.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:06 pm
Sadly many of the people that become cops are exactly the wrong type of people for the job. The power hungry, micro-penised douchebags that get off on the size of their nightsticks and intimidating people.
I want to see the entire video, not the clips that have been run. Yes, the guy's lying in a pool of blood at the end, but what I've seen doesn't account for that. As far as what the guy did to get the cops' attention in the first place is irrelevant. Once you start resisting arrest, expect to get put down. Looking only at the end result, it seems to be an obvious case of excessive force, but I don't understand why the news won't show exactly what the cops did to fuck that guy up so bad. He's bleeding a lot more than I'd expect he'd be after what's shown in the clip.
What's most telling is the way that fat cop grabbed that news guy and yelled at him to stop recording.
By the way, three of those cops have been suspended without pay and charged with battery.
I want to see the entire video, not the clips that have been run. Yes, the guy's lying in a pool of blood at the end, but what I've seen doesn't account for that. As far as what the guy did to get the cops' attention in the first place is irrelevant. Once you start resisting arrest, expect to get put down. Looking only at the end result, it seems to be an obvious case of excessive force, but I don't understand why the news won't show exactly what the cops did to fuck that guy up so bad. He's bleeding a lot more than I'd expect he'd be after what's shown in the clip.
What's most telling is the way that fat cop grabbed that news guy and yelled at him to stop recording.
By the way, three of those cops have been suspended without pay and charged with battery.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:52 pm
That the reporter got punched in the gut is his own account and his camerman's. And no, there was no reason for it. He had his hands up, backing away, bent all the way backwards over his car.
I'm glad the cops are being charged.
I'm glad the cops are being charged.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:08 pm
Yea, if that is the way those cops would always handle a situation, they don't belong anywhere near the police force. Perhaps after this one situation they don't belong anywhere near the force.
As I've said, mitigating circumstances aren't a justification or an excuse, but rather something folks might just want to consider when thinking about what might have driven these guys to the breaking point they might have been at.
They may very well deserve to be prosecuted and removed from the force, while at the same time having people at least realize that some external factors had a small role in pusing them to the limit - for good or evil. The bottom line is that they had a choice to make and they made the wrong one, it appears.
As I've said, mitigating circumstances aren't a justification or an excuse, but rather something folks might just want to consider when thinking about what might have driven these guys to the breaking point they might have been at.
They may very well deserve to be prosecuted and removed from the force, while at the same time having people at least realize that some external factors had a small role in pusing them to the limit - for good or evil. The bottom line is that they had a choice to make and they made the wrong one, it appears.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:14 pm
I'd like to see some reporter violence for a change.
You know, smacking lying politicians in the face to get a straight answer... tackling celebrities for involuntary photo ops, smashing their plastic noses with quality photography equipment... it would do the whole image of journalism much good.
You know, smacking lying politicians in the face to get a straight answer... tackling celebrities for involuntary photo ops, smashing their plastic noses with quality photography equipment... it would do the whole image of journalism much good.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:24 pm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/ ... .S._927919
A retired elementary school teacher who was repeatedly punched in the head by police in an incident caught on videotape said he was not drunk, put up no resistance and was baffled by what happened.
Robert Davis said he had returned to New Orleans to check on property his family owns in the storm-ravaged city, and was out looking to buy cigarettes when he was beaten and arrested Saturday night in the French Quarter.
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"I haven't had a drink in 25 years," Davis said Monday.
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Davis said he had been walking in the French Quarter and approached a mounted police officer to ask about the curfew in the city when another officer interrupted.
"This other guy interfered and I said he shouldn't," Davis said. "I started to cross the street and — bam — I got it. ... All I know is this guy attacked me and said, `I will kick your ass,' and they proceeded to do it."
He said he did not know why the punches were thrown.
The confrontation came as the New Orleans Police Department — long plagued by allegations of brutality and corruption — struggles with the aftermath of Katrina.
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Davis was kneed and pushed to the sidewalk with blood streaming down his arm and into the gutter. The officers accused of striking Davis were identified as Schilling and Evangelist.
Mayor Ray Nagin said, "I don't know what the gentleman did, but whatever he did, he didn't deserve what I saw on tape."
During the arrest, another officer, identified as Smith, ordered APTN producer Rich Matthews and a cameraman to stop recording. When Matthews held up his credentials, the officer grabbed the producer, leaned him backward over a car, jabbed him in the stomach and unleashed a profanity-laced tirade.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:35 pm
This bears repeating.Nightshade wrote:Sadly many of the people that become cops are exactly the wrong type of people for the job.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:58 pm
Canis will come up with some "reasoning" shortly.R00k wrote:http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/09/national/main927919.shtml?CMP=OTC-RSSFeed&source=RSS&attr=U.S._927919
A retired elementary school teacher who was repeatedly punched in the head by police in an incident caught on videotape said he was not drunk, put up no resistance and was baffled by what happened.
Robert Davis said he had returned to New Orleans to check on property his family owns in the storm-ravaged city, and was out looking to buy cigarettes when he was beaten and arrested Saturday night in the French Quarter.
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"I haven't had a drink in 25 years," Davis said Monday.
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Davis said he had been walking in the French Quarter and approached a mounted police officer to ask about the curfew in the city when another officer interrupted.
"This other guy interfered and I said he shouldn't," Davis said. "I started to cross the street and — bam — I got it. ... All I know is this guy attacked me and said, `I will kick your ass,' and they proceeded to do it."
He said he did not know why the punches were thrown.
The confrontation came as the New Orleans Police Department — long plagued by allegations of brutality and corruption — struggles with the aftermath of Katrina.
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Davis was kneed and pushed to the sidewalk with blood streaming down his arm and into the gutter. The officers accused of striking Davis were identified as Schilling and Evangelist.
Mayor Ray Nagin said, "I don't know what the gentleman did, but whatever he did, he didn't deserve what I saw on tape."
During the arrest, another officer, identified as Smith, ordered APTN producer Rich Matthews and a cameraman to stop recording. When Matthews held up his credentials, the officer grabbed the producer, leaned him backward over a car, jabbed him in the stomach and unleashed a profanity-laced tirade.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:37 pm
Fuck off Juggernaut, I was arguing with you fair and square about the reporter, granted not knowing the full story, as none of us did. Regardless, they're two separate incidents, and I stand by what I said about the reporter.
This information about the case clearly shows the police officers hitting the guy were in the wrong. Nevertheless it doesnt take away from my view that hitting is sometimes quite necessary. This case has revealed itself to be one of those abuse-of-power deals. However, before this current info I was reluctant to label it as such, as bleeding-heart liberals these days are too inclined to bash police for what they do. I see myself as a fairly liberal guy, but it disgusts me to see folks jump on the bandwagon to condemn a situation when they dont know the full story.
This information about the case clearly shows the police officers hitting the guy were in the wrong. Nevertheless it doesnt take away from my view that hitting is sometimes quite necessary. This case has revealed itself to be one of those abuse-of-power deals. However, before this current info I was reluctant to label it as such, as bleeding-heart liberals these days are too inclined to bash police for what they do. I see myself as a fairly liberal guy, but it disgusts me to see folks jump on the bandwagon to condemn a situation when they dont know the full story.
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:41 pm
That reporter should have been allowed to smack the fuck out of that cop. If anyone else had done what that cop did and got the shit kicked out of them it would have been perfectly justified self-defense.