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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:49 am
by [xeno]Julios
mjrpes wrote:Yeah, it's quite disturbing when you read about it. You'd think there's be a better way... like a liter of morphine
yea i've wondered about this too. Why not just dose them up on a massive amount of morphine. Perhaps the idea of such a criminal enjoying a blissful death is too much to bear for those out for justice.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:50 am
by [xeno]Julios
btw the hippocratic oath is violated everytime a baby is circumcised (or at least a "do no harm" principle)
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:15 am
by Geebs
That stuff about "struggled to fit an iv catheter for 45 minutes = inhumane" is a load of utter bollocks. I don't know if any of you have ever tried to get iv access in a person, but if they are, say, a junkie or someone who's ever had iv chemotherapy, it can easily take that long to find a decent vein - and I'm pretty good at it.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:17 am
by Geebs
werldhed wrote:other procedures...say...CPR. That also requires a significant amount of know-how as well as precise timing, pressure, etc., which if done improperly can result in severe injury to the person.
or even if done right. I've broken a few ribs in my time - those grannies are so fragile....
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:57 am
by Nightshade
[xeno]Julios wrote:mjrpes wrote:Yeah, it's quite disturbing when you read about it. You'd think there's be a better way... like a liter of morphine
yea i've wondered about this too. Why not just dose them up on a massive amount of morphine. Perhaps the idea of such a criminal enjoying a blissful death is too much to bear for those out for justice.
Yeah, because vicious murderers deserve the most humane treatment possible. Just like they gave their victims.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:59 am
by Nightshade
Geebs wrote:werldhed wrote:other procedures...say...CPR. That also requires a significant amount of know-how as well as precise timing, pressure, etc., which if done improperly can result in severe injury to the person.
or even if done right. I've broken a few ribs in my time - those grannies are so fragile....
I've taken numerous CPR classes, had one firefighter tell me about trying to resucitate and old man. He said the sound of the first chest compression was like someone sitting on a thin wooden box.
*CRUNCH*
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:40 am
by raw
One less. ©NWA 
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:47 am
by Foo
Nightshade wrote:Yeah, because vicious murderers deserve the most humane treatment possible. Just like they gave their victims.
So corporal punishment is about revenge
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:12 am
by Mr.Magnetichead
3 words.
National Rollerball Association
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:49 am
by S@M
Nightshade wrote:
I've taken numerous CPR classes, had one firefighter tell me about trying to resucitate and old man. He said the sound of the first chest compression was like someone sitting on a thin wooden box.
*CRUNCH*
thats not a good sound when your on a team, and everyone is round the bed when u push too far or too hard.
edit they should have done propper risk analysis/emergency management and moved patients BEFORE they needed to kill them, no doubt there is some stupid reason for mucking that up too.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:08 am
by mjrpes
mjrpes wrote:That's a big decision to make. It does go against one of the main tenets of the Hypocratic Oath that all doctors take. It's because of that tenet, that when doctors let vegetables like Terri Shrivo die they just 'pull the plug' and do not administer morphine. It's also why inmates on death row are injected with drugs by jail staff and not doctors, although a doctor is around to pronounce the inmate dead. In fact, this is one of the criticisms against lethal injection, since there is a greater chance that the drugs will be incorrectly injected since it is not being done by a professional.
I have resurrected this thread... because it has become topical again!
"Lethal injection flap means death penalty moratorium"
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cct ... 935657.htm
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:12 am
by mjrpes
Basically, there won't be any more executions in California until it can be done by medically licensed personnel or the Supreme Court decides otherwise. A judge has a agreed that letting prison staff do the injections could cause cruel and unusual punishment to the prisoner.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:06 am
by Massive Quasars
Canis wrote:
Me too. I think it's by far the better of two evils. I'd not blame the doctor one bit if one of the patients was a loved one of mine, even if I thought there might have been some chance had the doctor done something else. It's just too unfortunate and I believe the doctor did a very courageous and bold thing.
Indeed.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:22 am
by Massive Quasars
[xeno]Julios wrote:mjrpes wrote:Yeah, it's quite disturbing when you read about it. You'd think there's be a better way... like a liter of morphine
yea i've wondered about this too. Why not just dose them up on a massive amount of morphine. Perhaps the idea of such a criminal enjoying a blissful death is too much to bear for those out for justice.
I doubt majority support for CP and majority support for this method of execution are positions that can easily co-exist, at least in the US.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:42 am
by MKJ
saturn wrote:I still have 5 years of specialisation left in anesthesiology. There will be plenty of stories when I'm finished.
youre going to be an anesthesiologist?
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:33 am
by Transient
shiznit wrote:I’d prefer facing a firing squad with a cigarette in my mouth.
No fucking kidding. Screw this humane needle bullshit. Line 5 guys with guns up while I stand with a bullseye on my chest and fire away.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:28 pm
by Nightshade
mjrpes wrote:mjrpes wrote:That's a big decision to make. It does go against one of the main tenets of the Hypocratic Oath that all doctors take. It's because of that tenet, that when doctors let vegetables like Terri Shrivo die they just 'pull the plug' and do not administer morphine. It's also why inmates on death row are injected with drugs by jail staff and not doctors, although a doctor is around to pronounce the inmate dead. In fact, this is one of the criticisms against lethal injection, since there is a greater chance that the drugs will be incorrectly injected since it is not being done by a professional.
I have resurrected this thread... because it has become topical again!
"Lethal injection flap means death penalty moratorium"
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cct ... 935657.htm
Such a bag of wank. By all means, let's make sure that the vicious murderer doesn't feel any discomfort.
And to Foo's earlier comment, no, punishment is about justice, not revenge.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:05 pm
by R00k
Justice in the sense of a murderer isn't the same as tort law. You can't take a life away from him to get someone else's back.
The way you're defining justice is better stated as revenge.
Has capital punishment ever been ruled on by the supreme court? If so, that decision probably states the constitutional intent of the death penalty -- which, I would think, would be to permanently remove the danger the criminal poses to society, not to take an eye for an eye.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:03 pm
by Wabbit
I'm not an advocate of the Kvorkian method of dying. However, I don't believe in artifically prolonging someone's life with extraordinary life saving procedures when, if left peaceable alone, they would die.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:37 pm
by seremtan
Wabbit wrote:I'm not an advocate of the Kvorkian method of dying. However, I don't believe in artifically prolonging someone's life with extraordinary life saving procedures when, if left peaceable alone, they would die.
like this thread, in point of fact, until mjrpes gave it CPR
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:25 pm
by Guest
If the execution method was death by Kracus I bet the crime rate would drop dramaticaly.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:38 pm
by Nightshade
R00k wrote:Justice in the sense of a murderer isn't the same as tort law. You can't take a life away from him to get someone else's back.
The way you're defining justice is better stated as revenge.
Has capital punishment ever been ruled on by the supreme court? If so, that decision probably states the constitutional intent of the death penalty -- which, I would think, would be to permanently remove the danger the criminal poses to society, not to take an eye for an eye.
It's not about revenge, it's about justice. Justice in the sense that the killer loses their life because they wrongly took someone else's, not to bring the victim back.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:38 pm
by Nightshade
Kracus wrote:If the execution method was death by Kracus I bet the crime rate would drop dramaticaly.
Yeah, it's hard to rob someone when you're laughing your fucking ass off.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:18 pm
by mjrpes
seremtan wrote:Wabbit wrote:I'm not an advocate of the Kvorkian method of dying. However, I don't believe in artifically prolonging someone's life with extraordinary life saving procedures when, if left peaceable alone, they would die.
like this thread, in point of fact, until mjrpes gave it CPR
All I did was enbalm the body in topical solution and it came back to life!!!!
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:34 pm
by Scarface
[xeno]Julios wrote:btw the hippocratic oath is violated everytime a baby is circumcised (or at least a "do no harm" principle)
you still go on about this?