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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:15 pm
by Ryoki
Why do you insist on a comparison between events during 1945 and 1990? Is it because the word superpower was invented somewhere around that time or something?

If tomorrow i think of a new word to discribe an unknown tropical disease that i discovered today, would you argue that people with the exact same symptoms did not suffer from it three days ago?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:19 pm
by SplishSplash
yes

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:20 pm
by busetibi
SplishSplash wrote:
busetibi wrote:is that a fact?
try this :

by 1921, the British Empire held sway over a population of about 470–570 million people — roughly a quarter of the world's population — and covered about 15 million square miles (nearly 36 million square kilometres), roughly 33% of the world's total land area.
And needed America's help to defeat Germany before and after. Go sing "Rule Britannia", I don't care and neither did Europe back then.

Edit: Being a superpower to a bunch of native tribes isn't that hard, you know. It's when you go against your equals when it counts.
wtf are you smoking?
you sir, with all due respects, are a fucking idiot.
thanks for playing.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:21 pm
by Ryoki
SplishSplash wrote:yes
Then i am forced to call you an idiot.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:22 pm
by SplishSplash
busetibi wrote: wtf are you smoking?
you sir, with all due respects, are a fucking idiot.
thanks for playing.
rofl

sorry sir didn't mean to hurt your commonwealth pride

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:23 pm
by SplishSplash
Ryoki wrote:
SplishSplash wrote:yes
Then i am forced to call you an idiot.
I was going to explain how a certain term only applies to a certain situation, you know just like putting a -gate behind everything doesn't make it comparable to Watergate, but then I decided it wasn't worth the effort and to go with the surreal answer.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:24 pm
by Survivor
SplishSplash wrote:Edit: Being a superpower to a bunch of native tribes isn't that hard, you know. It's when you go against your equals when it counts.
Yes a superpower and all should be able to overthrow iraq without a problem and eliminate all resistance. Or doesn't it count because it's not a convential army :icon28:

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:26 pm
by [xeno]Julios
Ryoki wrote: If tomorrow i think of a new word to discribe an unknown tropical disease that i discovered today, would you argue that people with the exact same symptoms did not suffer from it three days ago?
SplishSplash wrote:yes

Spish, trying to surf on the semantic sea, sadly splashes.

this makes a curious sound, and the whales call it SPLISHSPLASH.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:27 pm
by SplishSplash
Survivor wrote: Yes a superpower and all should be able to overthrow iraq without a problem and eliminate all resistance. Or doesn't it count because it's not a convential army :icon28:
:dork:

Think again.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:28 pm
by SplishSplash
[xeno]Julios wrote: Spish, trying to surf on the semantic sea, sadly splashes.

this makes a curious sound, and the whales call it SPLISHSPLASH.
Thanks for making a lame joke instead of reading the thread.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:33 pm
by Ryoki

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:33 pm
by Survivor
SplishSplash wrote:
Survivor wrote: Yes a superpower and all should be able to overthrow iraq without a problem and eliminate all resistance. Or doesn't it count because it's not a convential army :icon28:
:dork:

Think again.
I do, that's why I disagree with your view. With your view you could also say the soviet union never was a superpower since they didn't hold up untill now.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:36 pm
by Grudge
Ryoki wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower
Although the term superpower is a recent one, the word has been retrospectively applied by some to previous military powers. The oldest superpower on the planet was the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire covered most of Europe, North Africa, and Asia Minor. The Persian Empire once controlled all of Asia Minor, Egypt and parts of India. The short-lived Greek/Macedonian empire under Alexander the Great became one after replacing Persian power. During its Siglo de Oro, the Spanish Empire had possession of Italy, parts of Germany, Portugal, the Netherlands, and many colonies in the Americas, Africa, and Asia. At its peak in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the British Empire covered a quarter of the Earth's land area and comprised a third of its population. It was said "The sun never sets on the British Empire."

Not as clearly in this category are nations that gained unquestioned hegemony over a large neighborhood at a time before global travel was a reality. Nations such as ancient Egypt, the Aztec Empire, the Persian Empire, and China could in one sense be considered early superpowers, at least for a time when an understanding of what is meant by "the world" was much smaller than it is today.

The first modern "superpowers" -- although they were not known by that term and are more commonly labeled as "Great Powers" -- arose with the beginning of nation-states which were capable of organizing and enlisting commerce, politics, and standing armies and navies to subdue or control other nation-states and less civilized areas. The Dutch were the first nation-state to do so, followed by the Spanish empire and British empire.

The term "superpower" is most commonly reserved for the post World War II period to reflect the bipolar political division of the world and advances in technology that allowed countries to instantly communicate throughout the world and project tremendous power on a truly global scale.
Discussion over, fuck off ShitSplash.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:37 pm
by SplishSplash
Ryoki wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower
Yeah. Notice how their description begins with "At the end of WW2"?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:38 pm
by SplishSplash
Grudge wrote:
Discussion over, fuck off ShitSplash.
Did you even read past the first sentence? You should have.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:39 pm
by busetibi
SplishSplash wrote:
busetibi wrote: wtf are you smoking?
you sir, with all due respects, are a fucking idiot.
thanks for playing.
rofl

sorry sir didn't mean to hurt your commonwealth pride
commonwealth pride?
wtf is that?
im not even english :olo:
you seem to be grabbing at straws,you whole argument is being shot down in flames and all you can do is answer with pathetic (supposedly) insults
time to get a new act, youre failing miserably here

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:39 pm
by SplishSplash
Survivor wrote: I do, that's why I disagree with your view. With your view you could also say the soviet union never was a superpower since they didn't hold up untill now.
They could turn Iraq into glass if they wanted to. They don't because of humanitarian reasons.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:40 pm
by Grudge
SplishSplash wrote:
Grudge wrote:
Discussion over, fuck off ShitSplash.
Did you even read past the first sentence? You should have.
Why do you think me asking you to fuck off is having anything to do with this discussion?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:40 pm
by Survivor
SplishSplash wrote:
Survivor wrote: I do, that's why I disagree with your view. With your view you could also say the soviet union never was a superpower since they didn't hold up untill now.
They could turn Iraq into glass if they wanted to. They don't because of humanitarian reasons.
This time i'm not talking about iraq.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:40 pm
by shiznit
SplishSplash doesn’t know what he’s talking about it.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:40 pm
by SplishSplash
busetibi wrote: commonwealth pride?
wtf is that?
im not even english :olo:
you seem to be grabbing at straws,you whole argument is being shot down in flames and all you can do is answer with pathetic (supposedly) insults
time to get a new act, youre failing miserably here
I know, you're Australian, which, AFAIR, is part of the commonwealth. So much for that.

And Grudge just proved me right in an hilarious attempt to prove me wrong.


I don't know about you guys, but to everyone who can read it looks like I'm winning this one quite easily. Even Grudge acknowledged that by resorting to a lame off-topic comeback.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:46 pm
by Ryoki
SplishSplash wrote:
Ryoki wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower
Yeah. Notice how their description begins with "At the end of WW2"?
Oh, you mean above the bits ´Superpowers in history´and ´Criteria defining the status of a superpower´?

Yes, i did notice that.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:47 pm
by SplishSplash
Ryoki wrote:Oh, you mean above the bits ´Superpowers in history´and ´Criteria defining the status of a superpower´?

Yes, i did notice that.
Yeah above those parts. Now read those and hide your head in shame.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:50 pm
by Grudge
SplishSplash wrote: And Grudge just proved me right in an hilarious attempt to prove me wrong.


I don't know about you guys, but to everyone who can read it looks like I'm winning this one quite easily. Even Grudge acknowledged that by resorting to a lame off-topic comeback.
Are you fucking kidding me? What's wrong with you?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:51 pm
by SplishSplash
I like to be right, and most of the time I am. See this thread for reference.