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mik0rs wrote:What I'm curious to know is why they could just let the Bridgestone teams use completely new sets of tyres if they allow Michelin to fly some in. Surely that's a logical solution so that no-one gets an advantage from tyre-wear.

At he end of the day, as stated earlier, this happened to Bridgestone a few months ago and all the Michelin people
would not let the tires be changed. So they quite rightly
did EXACTLY the same thing back to them. This is how it
feels, you wont do it again will you, bitches.

lol cool, didn't see that in the news.

This is a sad day for F1.

Doesn't it have to be a minimum of cars starting (12 I've read somewhere) for the race to be valid?

Nightshade wrote:This is a sad day for F1.

i totally concur with that statement.
the only loosers today were the fans.

random name wrote:Doesn't it have to be a minimum of cars starting (12 I've read somewhere) for the race to be valid?

iirc, under contract, they all have to be accounted for (mechanical failures, penalties, etc, notwithstanding) at the line up for the formation lap. once they made that first lap and came in, it was sad to see, but it was their right to do so.

Dr_Watson wrote:

Nightshade wrote:This is a sad day for F1.

i totally concur with that statement.
the only loosers today were the fans.

the fans were even losers.

Joint statement from the Michelin teams
The seven Michelin teams (Williams, Renault, McLaren, Sauber, BAR, Toyota and Sauber) have issued the following press release explaining their decision to pull out of Sunday’s US Grand Prix:
Nick Shorrock, Director of Michelin F1 Activities leaves an extraordinary meeting between team owners, Michelin, drivers, the FIA and circuit organisers to decide how to hold the GP. Formula One World Championship, Rd 9, United States Grand Prix, Race Day, Indianapolis, USA, 19 June 2005“The Michelin teams deeply regret the position that they have been put in today and would like to apologise to all the spectators, TV viewers, Formula One fans and sponsors for not being able to take part in today’s USA Grand Prix.

“Following Ralf Schumacher’s accident on Friday morning, we were advised by Michelin that none of the tyres that were available to the teams could be used unless the vehicle speed in turn 13 was reduced. Without this Michelin did not consider the tyre to be safe to be used for the race.

“All the teams are confident in Michelin and trust their advice as we know they are competent and responsible and their written instruction to us not to race unless changes to the circuit were made was accepted.

“After final data from Michelin became available at 06.30 on Sunday morning it became clear that Michelin were not able to guarantee the safety of the drivers. Numerous discussions and meetings took place to find a safe solution to the problem. Every possibility for the race to go ahead in a safe manner was explored. The only practical solution was for a chicane to be installed prior to Turn 13 and nine of the teams were prepared to run under these conditions even forgoing championship points or by allowing non-Michelin teams to take top positions on the grid.

“Unfortunately all proposals were rejected by the FIA.

“Safety is always the first concern of any team and the FIA. Regrettably the teams were obliged to follow Michelin’s requirements not to race.

“We are totally aware that the USA is an important market for Formula One and there is an obligation for Formula One to promote itself in a positive and professional manner. It is sad that we couldn’t showcase Formula One in the manner we would have liked today.”

Fuck the FIA and fuck the idiots that resurfaced the track.

Nightshade wrote:Joint statement from the Michelin teams
The seven Michelin teams (Williams, Renault, McLaren, Sauber, BAR, Toyota and Sauber) have issued the following press release explaining their decision to pull out of Sunday’s US Grand Prix:
Nick Shorrock, Director of Michelin F1 Activities leaves an extraordinary meeting between team owners, Michelin, drivers, the FIA and circuit organisers to decide how to hold the GP. Formula One World Championship, Rd 9, United States Grand Prix, Race Day, Indianapolis, USA, 19 June 2005“The Michelin teams deeply regret the position that they have been put in today and would like to apologise to all the spectators, TV viewers, Formula One fans and sponsors for not being able to take part in today’s USA Grand Prix.

“Following Ralf Schumacher’s accident on Friday morning, we were advised by Michelin that none of the tyres that were available to the teams could be used unless the vehicle speed in turn 13 was reduced. Without this Michelin did not consider the tyre to be safe to be used for the race.

“All the teams are confident in Michelin and trust their advice as we know they are competent and responsible and their written instruction to us not to race unless changes to the circuit were made was accepted.

“After final data from Michelin became available at 06.30 on Sunday morning it became clear that Michelin were not able to guarantee the safety of the drivers. Numerous discussions and meetings took place to find a safe solution to the problem. Every possibility for the race to go ahead in a safe manner was explored. The only practical solution was for a chicane to be installed prior to Turn 13 and nine of the teams were prepared to run under these conditions even forgoing championship points or by allowing non-Michelin teams to take top positions on the grid.

“Unfortunately all proposals were rejected by the FIA.

“Safety is always the first concern of any team and the FIA. Regrettably the teams were obliged to follow Michelin’s requirements not to race.

“We are totally aware that the USA is an important market for Formula One and there is an obligation for Formula One to promote itself in a positive and professional manner. It is sad that we couldn’t showcase Formula One in the manner we would have liked today.”

Fuck the FIA and fuck the idiots that resurfaced the track.

well, yeah, the FIA could have just ok'd the quick setup of a chicane at turn 13, but would that necessarily be safer? there were talks of the Michelin teams reducing their speeds (150 km/h?) into that turn, but then, if there was a Bridgestone driver behind them, that could also lead to a safety issue because you KNOW the Bridgestones would love to go for the pass there since that turn, and the rest of that run until the first corner, is the only place to pass on that circuit.

either way, it's over and done with. it was sickening to see the teams back their cars into their respective garages after the formation lap. bad for F1, and horrible for the American market which F1 so desperately needs.

factoid:

besides this race, there was only one other in the history of modern day Formula One that the entire field finished the race. the venue? the 1961 Dutch GP.

I read that Ferrari was obstructing discussion of the problem as well. Would be typical, as Schumacher could use the points and they use bridgestone tires.

Eraser wrote:I read that Ferrari was obstructing discussion of the problem as well. Would be typical, as Schumacher could use the points and they use bridgestone tires.

stay away from f1 chatrooms

I don't really blame the FIA for wanting to ensure a safe race. It's not a decision I would have wanted to make. I was really just venting a bit, as this has most certainly damaged the American opinion of F1 in general, and the chances of future success of the USGP specifically.
Who can say how many potential F1 fans have been turned away by irresponsible media coverage? The morning radio duo I listen to during my morning commute were calling the race for the farce it was, but without any sort of adequate explanation.
They did bring up a good point, though; why wasn't Michelin able to predict and/or respond properly to this problem?

*OptimusPrime* wrote:

Nightshade wrote:Typical. The conditions get rough and ze Fronch tires surrender.

:lol:

Truth hurts man

Nightshade wrote:... The only practical solution was for a chicane to be installed prior to Turn 13 and nine of the teams were prepared to run under these conditions ...

9 teams eh?
i bet i know who the lone complainer was?
*cough* ferrari *cough*


oh, interesting conspiracy theory as to why bridgestone had a working tire and michelin did not:

-- Flash back to the indy 500 race :
Indy was resurfaced this year before the indy 500 race.
The indy cars in testing on the new surface were experiencing tire issues due to the stickier track.
After they got working tires, this years race had the fastest speeds ever due to the extra grip available.

Q: Who is the tire supplier for the indy 500?
A: Firestone

Q: Who is firestone's sister company?
A: Bridgestone

Conspiricy theory:
Firestone learns alot about the new surface on the oval, passes the information to their sister company who comes prepared with a working tire. Michelin however is not privvy to this information and is so distracted with the LeMans 24 hour race that they aren't prepared for the new track conditions.

its actually one of the most plausible consipacy theories i've ever heard...

Dr_Watson wrote:

Nightshade wrote:... The only practical solution was for a chicane to be installed prior to Turn 13 and nine of the teams were prepared to run under these conditions ...

9 teams eh?
i bet i know who the lone complainer was?
*cough* ferrari *cough*


oh, interesting conspiracy theory as to why bridgestone had a working tire and michelin did not:

-- Flash back to the indy 500 race :
Indy was resurfaced this year before the indy 500 race.
The indy cars in testing on the new surface were experiencing tire issues due to the stickier track.
After they got working tires, this years race had the fastest speeds ever due to the extra grip available.

Q: Who is the tire supplier for the indy 500?
A: Firestone

Q: Who is firestone's sister company?
A: Bridgestone

Conspiricy theory:
Firestone learns alot about the new surface on the oval, passes the information to their sister company who comes prepared with a working tire. Michelin however is not privvy to this information and is so distracted with the LeMans 24 hour race that they aren't prepared for the new track conditions.

its actually one of the most plausible consipacy theories i've ever heard...

you and geoff should bunk

its far more logical than anything gooffy has come up with.

Dr_Watson wrote:

Nightshade wrote:... The only practical solution was for a chicane to be installed prior to Turn 13 and nine of the teams were prepared to run under these conditions ...

9 teams eh?
i bet i know who the lone complainer was?
*cough* ferrari *cough*


oh, interesting conspiracy theory as to why bridgestone had a working tire and michelin did not:

-- Flash back to the indy 500 race :
Indy was resurfaced this year before the indy 500 race.
The indy cars in testing on the new surface were experiencing tire issues due to the stickier track.
After they got working tires, this years race had the fastest speeds ever due to the extra grip available.

Q: Who is the tire supplier for the indy 500?
A: Firestone

Q: Who is firestone's sister company?
A: Bridgestone

Conspiricy theory:
Firestone learns alot about the new surface on the oval, passes the information to their sister company who comes prepared with a working tire. Michelin however is not privvy to this information and is so distracted with the LeMans 24 hour race that they aren't prepared for the new track conditions.

its actually one of the most plausible consipacy theories i've ever heard...

I believe that that means 9 of the Michelin teams.

As for the "conspiracy" it's totally plausible, and in fact highly likely. I heard it voiced on the news this morning, and it makes plenty of sense as far as I'm concerned.

bunch of Ferrari haters here. (thanks to Schuey)

Yep... It's always the top dogs that get the bad press anyway, everyone loves an underdog.

Kracus wrote:Yep... It's always the top dogs that get the bad press anyway, everyone loves an underdog.

You're an underdog of life...yet everyone hates you.

So once again...you're wrong. :lol:

Your opinion is a very small minority.

I had no idea my opinion had it's own race. Does it outnumber the blacks?

Nightshade wrote:
I believe that that means 9 of the Michelin teams.

As for the "conspiracy" it's totally plausible, and in fact highly likely. I heard it voiced on the news this morning, and it makes plenty of sense as far as I'm concerned.

there is only 10 teams in formula 1
Jordan, Minardi, and Ferrari are the only ones on bridgestone...
i'll let you do the math on that.

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:bunch of Ferrari haters here. (thanks to Schuey)

i love ferrari on the whole... 90% of my *dream cars* come from maranello, and i'm fine with mikey "the chin" schumacher... I just don't like how Jean Todt runs things.
he seems to have forgotten that F1's primary function is to be entertaining to the people buying tickets and watching on TV.
most of the pollitical bullshit and team order nonsense that happens in F1 seems to center around his nit-picking and various other shenanigans.