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Eraser wrote:

losCHUNK wrote: When's the last time you visited a Mosque ?, not something I've done to be fair.

Is that a by-the-way-just-curious question or are you trying to make a point? If the latter, replace "mosque" with church and re-evaluate the question.

Went to a Church in April

losCHUNK wrote:
It's kinda hard when they're claiming responsibility to be fair.



The guy was obviously fucked up though, when I read the report about him having Psychosis that would probaly be the bigger factor in all this. But I think a better question would be, do we think he would've killed IF he has been in contact / radicalised by someone like IS ?

1) They are speaking for a dead man. Did he actually say anything of the like.

2) To answer your better question I think clearly the answer is yes. (assuming you meant to say hadn't been in contact)

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:

losCHUNK wrote:
It's kinda hard when they're claiming responsibility to be fair.



The guy was obviously fucked up though, when I read the report about him having Psychosis that would probaly be the bigger factor in all this. But I think a better question would be, do we think he would've killed IF he has been in contact / radicalised by someone like IS ?

1) They are speaking for a dead man. Did he actually say anything of the like.

2) To answer your better question I think clearly the answer is yes. (assuming you meant to say hadn't)

1:

losCHUNK wrote:Aye, I only sit on the side of caution because there isn't much to say this attack was religiously motivated. I havn't seen anything that said he was apart of any extremist groups or protests ?. I think the only connection to ISIS is ISIS themselves and I seen his wife mentioned he started visiting a mosque in April.

2:

I did, bold statement though, he could've just as easily sought help.

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Everyone interviewed says he wasn't religious. Is there any evidence you know of that suggests otherwise?

He was Tunisian? Do you know the first thing about Tunisia?

To agree he was Tunisian *but not religious* suggests only 2 things:
* He falls into a narrow 2% (noooope)
* He was coerced into joining the nonsecular majority of that country

I don't know what it begins to suggest if the second option is what you're proposing.

losCHUNK wrote: 1:

losCHUNK wrote:Aye, I only sit on the side of caution because there isn't much to say this attack was religiously motivated. I havn't seen anything that said he was apart of any extremist groups or protests ?. I think the only connection to ISIS is ISIS themselves and I seen his wife mentioned he started visiting a mosque in April.

2:

I did, but he could've just as easily sought help.

I just think there's a problem with pointing to religion when you have people like Omar Mateen specifically referencing wars of aggression (invasion of Afghanistan) which let's face it are a legitimate grievance even though i believe more violence isn't a solution.

Foo wrote:

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Everyone interviewed says he wasn't religious. Is there any evidence you know of that suggests otherwise?

He was Tunisian? Do you know the first thing about Tunisia?

To agree he was Tunisian *but not religious* suggests only 2 things:
* He falls into a narrow 2% (noooope)
* He was coerced into joining the nonsecular majority of that country

I don't know what it begins to suggest if the second option is what you're proposing.

As if all people who identify with a religion are strict (orthodox) adherents. By all accounts the guy was far from religious but he may still have identified with Islam. Hardly makes this a religious thing. Details are important.

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote: I just think there's a problem with pointing to religion when you have people like Omar Mateen specifically referencing wars of aggression (invasion of Afghanistan) which let's face it are a legitimate grievance even though i believe more violence isn't a solution.

Well what does that guy want ?, only what I'm seeing during withdrawals is an increasingly destabalised country.

But my whole point is to do with the IS propaganda campaign, those Woolwich murderers were shouting about how the British soldiers raped his mother / countrymen or someshit... The guy was from fucking London !

I said on the page back that people like the truck driver and the Woolwich murderers are prime targets, mixed up fuckers looking to embrace and justify their fucked up heads and beliefs. It's how everyone finds their religion. If that guy had Psychosis and he was in contact with IS then I guarantee you that guy was a victim too, you could've told him you pissed sherbet and he'd open wide. The Woolwich murders in a fucked up way n all, for having their heads fucked with.

Religion is a tool for hidden motives, same for everyone.

losCHUNK wrote:It's how everyone finds their religion.

wat?

losCHUNK wrote:Religion is a tool for hidden motives, same for everyone.

I'm an atheist but don't agree with this.

Religion targets someone and caters its beliefs to your views, it's what they mean by finding your religion imo, it aligns with your views. It's how Scientology fleece your for money n all. It's nothing more than a sales pitch.

And wether ya'll expecting front seats with God or forever being graced with good fortune, still a motive.

losCHUNK wrote:Religion targets someone and caters its beliefs to your views, it's what they mean by finding your religion imo, it aligns with your views.

It's how Scientology fleece your for money n all, ya'll expecting front seats with God or forever be graced with fortune. Still a motive.

This is a blanket description which seeks to describe something which is very diverse. I think you're way off here.

OK give me an example of a religion that doesn't offer a reward ?

Sorry for edits.

losCHUNK wrote:OK give me an example of a religion that doesn't offer a reward ?

Well how about I assert that many (most) religions will in fact not cater to one's currently held beliefs. That's what I was disagreeing with.

Because not everyone 'finds it' ?, did I insinuate everyone finds it ?. Doesn't mean they won't try though, before moving onto the next sales pitch. Anyone who follows a religion was looking for something when they found it (or would be giving something up if they lost it).

Why won't they tell you Noah is 1000 yrs old ?. You disagreed with both points in seperate posts too.

what's the difference between a radical muslim and a moderate muslim?

A radical muslim wants to kill you

A moderate muslim wants a radical to kill you

:ool:

Never baguette !

Not sure why this is still a religious debate, last time I checked zionism was a nationalist political belief. I think in some alternate timeline where Jill Stein has a chance of being elected, ISIS would fall apart.

The guy driving the truck was openly bisexual and non religious. So why is this supposed to be Islamic terrorism?... Oh cuz the west and fake ISIS says so... Got it... ...

scared? wrote:The guy driving the truck was openly bisexual and non religious. So why is this supposed to be Islamic terrorism?... Oh cuz the west and fake ISIS says so... Got it... ...

No one is really saying it is, just that it could be or even likely. Strange that you are so quick to dismiss it though, seeing as it was a pre planned attack that likely had accompliances with people being interviewed in the following investigation saying he had become radicalised very quickly (confirmed by interior ministers) with his uncle even saying that an Albanian man put him in contact with IS, they've (interior ministers) said his internet records show that he was searching for IS propaganda n all and showed support for them. Coupled with the shit I've already said about phone contacts, mental health, background and Mosques along with what you've mentioned about about IS claiming responsibility. It's still early days yet.

Munich now...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... ng-germany

Its in Germany, so it has to be a Nazi!

Germany should intensify their crackdown on people upset with migrants.

scared? wrote:Prolly just a woman driver...

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Theres probably no better way to put it. honestly, at least they could say she didnt mean to....

This really shouldnt have happened..theres absolutely no reason you'd think this actually needed to happen. I dont think france is that fucked for one man to make this happen. How is this representative of the nation of lovers? Maybe frexit needed much more

Maybe, france is just that fucked

Im really put off and annoyed at all this islamic association latchery after events...we arent that dumb yet, are we ?? why cant a man just have an issue with immorality at his core??

I question you that.