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scared? wrote:Listen up chumps.. If u wasted all ur fuckin time browsing the front page of reddit while doing dishes like me u would know in pashtun culture,...
...You're a tired piece of shite, man.scared? wrote:Just mad about your dead kin?...
...A refreshing reply, at least an attempt to sort things out. Even though it seems like you might be high, thank you for this.mrd wrote:Exacting revenge or not, that is such a sliver of a difference that only someone who is already a fucking psycho/socio would make the distinction in the first place. "It's cool because their parents killed my tribesmen" seems to be the logic. No, you're straight fucked.
Not as fucked as xer0s but damn close.
Pretty fucking hard to know what to do... I can understand the view Ryoki takes. A sort of genocide for the greater good of humanity, with the view that the Taliban, or groups like them, are essentially a virus or a rot that needs to be exacted out from the whole. Problem is, how the fuck do you exact them out without huge collateral damage in every sense of the word? Don't think it's possible... I almost feel like it would be better to make sacrifice by infiltrating them and trying to enact slow change in a non-violent way, however that could be. That would take a long fucking time either way.
Problem is, a lot of what causes this is equally or more fucked up than what "they" do, either to us or others. I'm not even sure there can be one nation or one group of nations that could help this... it seems more likely that humans themselves are just fundamentally flawed and a certain percentage of folk will be fucking lunatics no matter what you do. Again with the fuckin' alligator at the helm with Einstein in the backseat.
High on life? Or is my gratuitous use of the word fuck throwing you for a loop?xer0s wrote:
A refreshing reply, at least an attempt to sort things out. Even though it seems like you might be high, thank you for this.
I think the cancer analogy is a good one. When you go in to cut out the cancer, you're bound to destroy some healthy cells in the process. The only difference is, the healthy cells that survive don't have a conscience and won't hold the surgeon responsible for killing those healthy cells...
He's too dumb to see that he's trying to troll the wrong person.mrd wrote:You're a tired piece of shite, man.scared? wrote:Just mad about your dead kin?...
What's totally wrong with that view is that this is exactly how Taliban and IS are looking at the Western world. What is it that defines Taliban as evil and "us" as good? Right now, I'd say our unwillingness to do intentional mass killings for the sake of extermination is what sets us apart, and it is that one thing you guys are willing to throw overboard.xer0s wrote:A refreshing reply, at least an attempt to sort things out. Even though it seems like you might be high, thank you for this.mrd wrote:Exacting revenge or not, that is such a sliver of a difference that only someone who is already a fucking psycho/socio would make the distinction in the first place. "It's cool because their parents killed my tribesmen" seems to be the logic. No, you're straight fucked.
Not as fucked as xer0s but damn close.
Pretty fucking hard to know what to do... I can understand the view Ryoki takes. A sort of genocide for the greater good of humanity, with the view that the Taliban, or groups like them, are essentially a virus or a rot that needs to be exacted out from the whole. Problem is, how the fuck do you exact them out without huge collateral damage in every sense of the word? Don't think it's possible... I almost feel like it would be better to make sacrifice by infiltrating them and trying to enact slow change in a non-violent way, however that could be. That would take a long fucking time either way.
Problem is, a lot of what causes this is equally or more fucked up than what "they" do, either to us or others. I'm not even sure there can be one nation or one group of nations that could help this... it seems more likely that humans themselves are just fundamentally flawed and a certain percentage of folk will be fucking lunatics no matter what you do. Again with the fuckin' alligator at the helm with Einstein in the backseat.
I think the cancer analogy is a good one. When you go in to cut out the cancer, you're bound to destroy some healthy cells in the process. The only difference is, the healthy cells that survive don't have a conscience and won't hold the surgeon responsible for killing those healthy cells...
Thanks for that - brilliant linkobsidian wrote:Semi-related, but here is what Afghanistan looked like back in the '60s...
http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/20 ... otos/5846/
Strange how war and imperialism can fuck over a country and kick them back a few centuries into a religious fundamentalism black hole.
scared? wrote:As you can see the taliban blame the us...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ldren.html
so Taliban foreign policy relies on kid pester power?A Taliban Psycho wrote:“These are the kids of the U.S.-backed Pakistani army and they should stop their parents from bombing our families and children.”
My thanks obsidianobsidian wrote:Semi-related, but here is what Afghanistan looked like back in the '60s...
http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/20 ... otos/5846/
Strange how war and imperialism can fuck over a country and kick them back a few centuries into a religious fundamentalism black hole.
That was enlightening and one of the best post I have see in the forum for some time.Don Carlos wrote:
Thanks for that - brilliant link
I feel misunderstood, perhaps i should explain again; i'm simply saying that these are the two countries that should have been invaded, occupied and regime-changed rather than Afghanistan (at the time of invasion a shithole but not an international threat) and Irak (also at the time of invasion a shithole but also not an international threat).HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Ryoki has embraced Bush's preemptive war doctrine. Ryoki is willing to stack up the bodies (and let's make no mistake about the vast % who will be women and children) to save future possible casualties because he can see the fucking future. Holy shit dude you scare me as much as any Taliban.
How about rejecting violence and seeking other ways to effect change. All those people who get to live would thank you I'm sure. You seem quite happy to see them dispatched for your grand dream of nation building though invasion. And of course we've all seen how effective such wars are and how stable the countries are after we've replaced their 'evil' leaders.
Pff, glorious beacons of enlightenment? Yeah that'll happen. No, i'd settle for good old fashioned secular dictatorships (the key word there being secular).seremtan wrote:yeah those place would now be glorious beacons of enlightenment in the Middle East, just like Iraq, and no kids would have died, honest
I did not actually, for the simple reason that it's untrue. Saudi Arabia and (even moreso) Pakistan have always been the driving force of the Taliban, you didn't know this? You should really read up on the (to this day) incredibly intimate relationship of the Pakistani intelligence service and various bands of extremists in places like Afghanistan and Kashmir and include that in your non-invasion calculus.HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:There weren't even any Taliban in Pakistan until the U.S. invaded Afghanistan. Did you include that into your invasion calculus Ryoki?
Very much thisRyoki wrote:I did not actually, for the simple reason that it's untrue. Saudi Arabia and (even moreso) Pakistan have always been the driving force of the Taliban, you didn't know this? You should really read up on the (to this day) incredibly intimate relationship of the Pakistani intelligence service and various bands of extremists in places like Afghanistan and Kashmir and include that in your non-invasion calculus.HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:There weren't even any Taliban in Pakistan until the U.S. invaded Afghanistan. Did you include that into your invasion calculus Ryoki?
Again, I'd ask what evidence you have that invading those 'other' countries would be any less deadly to kids and would be any more effective than in Afghanistan or Iraq? Either way, your eagerness for war belies your 'us vs them, good vs bad' narrative imo.Ryoki wrote:I feel misunderstood, perhaps i should explain again; i'm simply saying that these are the two countries that should have been invaded, occupied and regime-changed rather than Afghanistan (at the time of invasion a shithole but not an international threat) and Irak (also at the time of invasion a shithole but also not an international threat).HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Ryoki has embraced Bush's preemptive war doctrine. Ryoki is willing to stack up the bodies (and let's make no mistake about the vast % who will be women and children) to save future possible casualties because he can see the fucking future. Holy shit dude you scare me as much as any Taliban.
How about rejecting violence and seeking other ways to effect change. All those people who get to live would thank you I'm sure. You seem quite happy to see them dispatched for your grand dream of nation building though invasion. And of course we've all seen how effective such wars are and how stable the countries are after we've replaced their 'evil' leaders.
I'm genuinly surprised at your reaction, was simply reflecting on the wisdom of invading countries for reasons that fit invading other countries better. If you're going to do something, do it right, yes?
Pff, glorious beacons of enlightenment? Yeah that'll happen. No, i'd settle for good old fashioned secular dictatorships (the key word there being secular).seremtan wrote:yeah those place would now be glorious beacons of enlightenment in the Middle East, just like Iraq, and no kids would have died, honest
Are you being intentionally obtuse just to try and win this point?Ryoki wrote:I did not actually, for the simple reason that it's untrue. Saudi Arabia and (even moreso) Pakistan have always been the driving force of the Taliban, you didn't know this? You should really read up on the (to this day) incredibly intimate relationship of the Pakistani intelligence service and various bands of extremists in places like Afghanistan and Kashmir and include that in your non-invasion calculus.HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:There weren't even any Taliban in Pakistan until the U.S. invaded Afghanistan. Did you include that into your invasion calculus Ryoki?
If you want to attack Pakistan for their support of the Taliban does that mean the USA should also be attacked for their historic support?Following the NATO operation, the Taliban lost its last stronghold on Afghan soil, and most of the Taliban fighters in Afghanistan were killed. Recognizing NATO strength and losing a large number of its fighters and more importantly its strategic base of command in southern Afghanistan, Taliban moved to Pakistan, specifically to Waziristan, where they were welcomed by their Pashtun brothers (Maley 38).
In 2003, the Pakistani government had intervened to contain and counter the Taliban’s expansion and influence and deployed a total of 80,000 troops in South and North Waziristan. After several confrontations with the Taliban militants and the loss of eight hundred Pakistani soldiers in combat, the Pakistani government and President Pervez Mushrraf realized that military confrontation of Taliban could further destabilize the country. Accordingly, in September 2006, Musharraf signed a peace agreement with seven militant groups in Waziristan, who call themselves Pakistan Taliban or Tehrik-i-Taliban. Under the terms of the agreement, Pakistan's army agreed to withdraw from the areas controlled by the Taliban in Waziristan, and the Taliban promised to stop launching attacks against NATO and Afghan troops in Afghanistan and against Pakistani army and government
I feel ya...Ryoki wrote:I feel misunderstood, perhaps i should explain again...HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Ryoki has embraced Bush's preemptive war doctrine. Ryoki is willing to stack up the bodies (and let's make no mistake about the vast % who will be women and children) to save future possible casualties because he can see the fucking future. Holy shit dude you scare me as much as any Taliban.
How about rejecting violence and seeking other ways to effect change. All those people who get to live would thank you I'm sure. You seem quite happy to see them dispatched for your grand dream of nation building though invasion. And of course we've all seen how effective such wars are and how stable the countries are after we've replaced their 'evil' leaders.
Just watch this season of Homeland for reference to this...Ryoki wrote:I did not actually, for the simple reason that it's untrue. Saudi Arabia and (even moreso) Pakistan have always been the driving force of the Taliban, you didn't know this? You should really read up on the (to this day) incredibly intimate relationship of the Pakistani intelligence service and various bands of extremists in places like Afghanistan and Kashmir and include that in your non-invasion calculus.HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:There weren't even any Taliban in Pakistan until the U.S. invaded Afghanistan. Did you include that into your invasion calculus Ryoki?