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Captain Mazda wrote:America's foreign policy at work.

Explain or be called a retard.

Allegedly, another diplomatic car runs over more than 20-30 protesters in Cairo. Very graphic, can't be unseen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cWOK0Lf ... ntrinter=1

ffs GTA Cairo

mjrpes wrote:Definitely worth watching, starting at 34:30...

and the 34:29 of stuff before that? tl;dw?

Nightshade wrote:

Captain Mazda wrote:America's foreign policy at work.

Explain or be called a retard.

He doesn't need to explain that in order to be called a retard...

Don't know if that's egypt but BAM

seremtan wrote:ffs GTA Cairo

mjrpes wrote:Definitely worth watching, starting at 34:30...

and the 34:29 of stuff before that? tl;dw?

Worth it too but you have to placate the tl;dw crowd.

obsidian wrote:Allegedly, another diplomatic car runs over more than 20-30 protesters in Cairo. Very graphic, can't be unseen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cWOK0Lf ... ntrinter=1

Made my stomach turn

feedback wrote:
Don't know if that's egypt but BAM

AND STAY DOWN, YOU FUCKING SMELLY HIPPIE.

shaft wrote:Mubarak security forces. I assume they drive fast because as you can see from the video they get shit thrown at them.

Nightshade wrote:

Captain Mazda wrote:America's foreign policy at work.

Explain or be called a retard.

According to Mona Eltahawy, the US gives Mubarak's government $1.3 billlion worth of firearms to ensure the government has guns while the population doesn't...which helps maintain the autocracy.

Nightshade wrote:

feedback wrote:
Don't know if that's egypt but BAM

AND STAY DOWN, YOU FUCKING SMELLY HIPPIE.

What's he shooting? Rubber pellets, rock salt or buckshot?

GONNAFISTYA wrote:According to Mona Eltahawy, the US gives Mubarak's government $1.3 billlion worth of firearms to ensure the government has guns while the population doesn't...which helps maintain the autocracy.

and yet here they are rising up against that autocracy without those firearms... (also: so now you're saying an armed populace keeps tyranny at bay? i hope you let gramps know about your change of heart on this issue )

then again, if the egyptian people did have loads of guns and used them against the mubarak regime, western public opinion - a solipsistic creature at the best of times - would drop support for them like a hot rock. we prefer passive victims over active revolutionaries any day due to our own squeamishness and discomfort with the idea that someone might actually put everything on the line for an idea

seremtan wrote:

GONNAFISTYA wrote:According to Mona Eltahawy, the US gives Mubarak's government $1.3 billlion worth of firearms to ensure the government has guns while the population doesn't...which helps maintain the autocracy.

and yet here they are rising up against that autocracy without those firearms... (also: so now you're saying an armed populace keeps tyranny at bay? i hope you let gramps know about your change of heart on this issue )

Not at all. I firmly believe that if the populance had guns we'd be talking about a bloodbath and thousands dead, instead of a few people getting run over by cars, horses and camels.

I was simpy answering NS's question about US foreign policy as it relates to Egypt.

GONNAFISTYA wrote:
According to Mona Eltahawy, the US gives Mubarak's government $1.3 billlion worth of firearms to ensure the government has guns while the population doesn't...which helps maintain the autocracy.

We don't give them $1.3 billion "worth of firearms", it's that much money with provisions that some portion of it be spent on American weapons. I saw no American rocks of molotov cocktails in the video that Obsidian posted, and the other vid didn't show an American police van running those people down. Also, the Egyptian Army has stated numerous times that they will not fire on protesters. So, I'm still waiting to hear how this is American foreign policy in action.

Have we supported Mubarak for a long time? Yes, but I don't see how this makes the US responsible for him being a douchebag in this specific case.

lol nightshade is a moron...

Nightshade wrote:
We don't give them $1.3 billion "worth of firearms", it's that much money with provisions that some portion of it be spent on American weapons. I saw no American rocks of molotov cocktails in the video that Obsidian posted, and the other vid didn't show an American police van running those people down. Also, the Egyptian Army has stated numerous times that they will not fire on protesters. So, I'm still waiting to hear how this is American foreign policy in action.

Have we supported Mubarak for a long time? Yes, but I don't see how this makes the US responsible for him being a douchebag in this specific case.

The $1.3 billion figure is the total military aid that the US gives Egypt annually, including firearms. I'm not saying American support turned Mubarak into a doucebag and I'm not blaming US foreign policy for what happened and is happening. So you can calm the fuck down, Randy. TBH I'm not sure what Spazda's point really was, but I thought I was attempting to answer your question. Like I said...ask Spazda what he meant.

Regarding the firearms and semencan's inference that I've turned into a gun-loving redneck ala gramps, I'm still convinced they wouldn't have helped and made the situation worse. If the protestors brought guns the government would have brought tanks. If the protestors brought anti-tank rockets the government would simply make bombing runs with fighter jets. Anyone who thinks small arms would have helped the protestors overthrow the government is a moron and living in 1770.

more like american impotence in action. everyone is looking to obama to formulate a plan, even though it must be obvious at least to him that washington's desires are irrelevant given their clear lack of influence here

Kablammy!
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/artic ... -down?bn=1

CAIRO—The Egyptian vice president says President Hosni Mubarak is stepping down.
CAIRO—The recently appointed general secretary of Egypt's ruling National Democratic Party of beleaguered President Hosni Mubarak said on Friday he had resigned, saying Egypt needed new parties.

“It's a resignation from the position and from the party,” Hossam Badrawi told private al-Hayat TV.

“The formation of new parties in a new manner that reflects new thinking is better for society now at this stage.”

Hundreds of thousands of Egyptian protesters waved flags, cried, cheered and embraced in celebration, chanting “we have brought down the regime.”

was watching the al jazeera live feed of the square when the news hit the crowd, powerful stuff

yay! so now what? no more baby jesus tears and kitten deaths?

what's going to change? probably garnish the plate differently but rest assured you'd still be eating the same shit.

Hundreds of thousands of Egyptian protesters waved flags, cried, cheered and embraced in celebration, chanting “we have brought down the regime.”

or turned around to cheer just long enough to be stabbed in the back

mubarak /= the regime

all the egyptians here in Doha were honking their horns all night... kind of annoying but I was honking for the hell of it

I'm so happy for these Egyptians. Maybe now they won't go hungry...

andyman wrote:all the egyptians here in Doha were honking their horns all night... kind of annoying but I was honking for the hell of it

whatever comes out of this in egypt will only be 'good' if it's considered to be in US interests. sounds like you never got the memo from centcom

seremtan wrote:

andyman wrote:all the egyptians here in Doha were honking their horns all night... kind of annoying but I was honking for the hell of it

whatever comes out of this in egypt will only be 'good' if it's considered to be in US interests. sounds like you never got the memo from centcom

What was funny is when i picked up the civilian equivalent of a general from the airport and he asked me what was going on in Egypt (a week ago), i ALMOST almost said, "don't know much about it, just what I've read on q3w" so my answer probably would have been 'lol egypt'


damn this forum