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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:35 pm
by R00k
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:I'd argue that it's down to Americans to not hire these people then. As well they should refuse to buy from people who do hire them (hello walmart) and as well they should be prepared to pay higher prices for the goods they buy as the cost of production will be up as Americans won't work for $4 a day.
Some Americans have no idea how things affect the economy and where their low-cost goodies come from. And some just simply refuse to believe it because it would mean they would have to either lose those low-cost goods, or realize that they're hypocrites.
Which is the same reason they believe these backward-assed politicial explanations for everything that they perceive to be wrong with society.

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:37 pm
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
And all these corporations that are selling you out by moving jobs away from the U.S. Talk about revenue leaving the country... compare it to money flowing into Mexico and you have a mountain next to a molehill.

The whole globalization thing is very unhealthy for Americans

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:47 pm
by rep
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:I'd argue that it's down to Americans to not hire these people then. As well they should refuse to buy from people who do hire them (hello walmart) and as well they should be prepared to pay higher prices for the goods they buy as the cost of production will be up as Americans won't work for $4 a day.
The problem is, a lot of the farmers doing this are Mexicans who have gotten their citizenship legally, and they go to Mexican areas of town and round up illegals and those who just can't get a job for whatever reason. If these people were legal, they'd obviously demand higher pay than $3 an hour... It's their right as citizens.

I'm glad you mentioned Wal-Mart. They hire a considerable amount of illegals. In Phoenix, there have been big INS busts, but only after those workers had milked years of pay from the stores. Wal-Mart needs a background check in troublesome areas. If you can prove you're a citizen, then you get a job.

Another problem is the drug issue. Meth labs are a crazy source of income for low lifes like this in Arizona. It's not race specific of course, but the more out of the system you are, the more likely you are to be participating in something shady like this. In the news in the last ten years I've seen dozens of meth busts where illegals are carted off to American prisons and given American bought food and shelter until they can be deported, and then they're right back over the border to do it again.

Coyotes, the term given to the smugglers, have left their load out in the desert when they think the police are chasing them, and days later the police find a truckload of 40 dead Mexicans. I wish I could say it serves them right, but I'm sure they're not thinking about raping the American system by coming here, they're just trying to escape their own shithole and upgrade to a nicer shithole.

Sometime I'll head out to one of the crappy MexiZones and take pictures of them waiting for work, and being picked up. It's prostitution, really. I should rent a truck and say, "$6 hourly for crop spraying." And when they all hop in, I'd drive them down to the police station and drop them off.

Another plan would be to work as one of them, and find out the farms who are doing this sort of shit, then report them. Perhaps that would be dancing the line of legality a bit less than the above? I don't think someone can press charges on me for giving them a ride they agreed to.

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:49 pm
by rep
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:And all these corporations that are selling you out by moving jobs away from the U.S. Talk about revenue leaving the country... compare it to money flowing into Mexico and you have a mountain next to a molehill.

The whole globalization thing is very unhealthy for Americans
I've heard horror stories of people having to train the new Chinese workers in their factory, and then pack all the machines and equipment up to ship to China.

That is considerable bullshit, when you think about who we'll be fighting in World War III.

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:17 pm
by R00k
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:And all these corporations that are selling you out by moving jobs away from the U.S. Talk about revenue leaving the country... compare it to money flowing into Mexico and you have a mountain next to a molehill.

The whole globalization thing is very unhealthy for Americans
Yea well, you said a mouthfull there.

I just learned that one of the major airlines is outsourcing all its maintenance work to China. My co-worker was telling me today that his brother-in-law, who is a tech, is being laid off down in Florida. No severance, no retirement, not much notice, just a nice wink and a foot in his ass, and a fuck you to his wife and kids. It's the new American way.

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:24 am
by Nightshade
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
most of the money is the cost of incarceration of illegals
I'd like to see some numbers to back that statement up.