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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:05 am
by +JuggerNaut+
definitely. add it to your rss aggregator.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:16 am
by [xeno]Julios
if & when i upgrade from win98 and stuff, i'll delve into that site and try to learn enough so that I can install an RSS aggregator :p

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:18 am
by +JuggerNaut+
[xeno]Julios wrote:if & when i upgrade from win98 and stuff, i'll delve into that site and try to learn enough so that I can install an RSS aggregator :p
no need for any installation. use http://www.netvibes.com and add rss feeds for whatever you want if you'd like simplicity.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:23 am
by [xeno]Julios
by the name RSS aggregator, makes me think of aggregating a bunch of different RSS feeds together. Don't all RSS programs do that? (or are they all aggregators)

kinda cool when i think about it - basically a customized newsfilter that streams all the info at once from a bunch of different chosen sources.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:19 am
by +JuggerNaut+
[xeno]Julios wrote:by the name RSS aggregator, makes me think of aggregating a bunch of different RSS feeds together. Don't all RSS programs do that? (or are they all aggregators)

kinda cool when i think about it - basically a customized newsfilter that streams all the info at once from a bunch of different chosen sources.
yep, you got it. i was recommending netvibes.com so you wouldn't have to install anything, just add the url feeds.



btw, more good stuff about Sony's historical bullying

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:53 pm
by Grudge
Some ridiculous stuff in the Sony BMG EULA:

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004145.php
Now the Legalese Rootkit: Sony-BMG's EULA
November 09, 2005

If you thought XCP "rootkit" copy-protection on Sony-BMG CDs was bad, perhaps you'd better read the 3,000 word (!) end-user license agreement (aka "EULA") that comes with all these CDs.

First, a baseline. When you buy a regular CD, you own it. You do not "license" it. You own it outright. You're allowed to do anything with it you like, so long as you don't violate one of the exclusive rights reserved to the copyright owner. So you can play the CD at your next dinner party (copyright owners get no rights over private performances), you can loan it to a friend (thanks to the "first sale" doctrine), or make a copy for use on your iPod (thanks to "fair use"). Every use that falls outside the limited exclusive rights of the copyright owner belongs to you, the owner of the CD.

Now compare that baseline with the world according to the Sony-BMG EULA, which applies to any digital copies you make of the music on the CD:

1. If your house gets burgled, you have to delete all your music from your laptop when you get home. That's because the EULA says that your rights to any copies terminate as soon as you no longer possess the original CD.

2. You can't keep your music on any computers at work. The EULA only gives you the right to put copies on a "personal home computer system owned by you."

3. If you move out of the country, you have to delete all your music. The EULA specifically forbids "export" outside the country where you reside.

4. You must install any and all updates, or else lose the music on your computer. The EULA immediately terminates if you fail to install any update. No more holding out on those hobble-ware downgrades masquerading as updates.

5. Sony-BMG can install and use backdoors in the copy protection software or media player to "enforce their rights" against you, at any time, without notice. And Sony-BMG disclaims any liability if this "self help" crashes your computer, exposes you to security risks, or any other harm.

6. The EULA says Sony-BMG will never be liable to you for more than $5.00. That's right, no matter what happens, you can't even get back what you paid for the CD.

7. If you file for bankruptcy, you have to delete all the music on your computer. Seriously.

8. You have no right to transfer the music on your computer, even along with the original CD.

9. Forget about using the music as a soundtrack for your latest family photo slideshow, or mash-ups, or sampling. The EULA forbids changing, altering, or make derivative works from the music on your computer.


So this is what Sony-BMG thinks we should be allowed to do with the music on the CDs that we purchase from them? No word yet about whether Sony-BMG will be offering a "patch" for this legalese rootkit. I'm not holding my breath.

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:36 pm
by Geebs
Hmm, it's also not the first nasty bit of software BMG has used. Fortunately none of it works on macs as yet...

I still think it's funny that you can just include an analogue stage in the process and have an "almost as good as" copy with no hassles.

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:50 pm
by menkent
anyone have a full list of the affected cd's

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:39 am
by +JuggerNaut+
menkent wrote:anyone have a full list of the affected cd's
only one i'm aware of

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:46 am
by AmIdYfReAk
i got a good idea! dont put a sony Licenced cd in your computer FTW! :p

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:46 am
by mrd
I bet all the artists who have this amazing new technology on their CDs are fucking kicking themselves in the head for ever associating with Sony right now. Here they are trying to make a living and some corporate shithole fucks stuff up and now the whole world doesn't wanna buy any of their CDs. GG sony.

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:15 am
by Canidae
Microsoft to the rescue!

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+will+wipe ... 49041.html
Microsoft will update its security tools to detect and remove part of the copy protection tools installed on PCs when some music CDs are played.

The Redmond, Wash., software maker has determined that the "rootkit" piece of the XCP software on some Sony BMG Music Entertainment CDs can pose a security risk to Windows PCs, according to a posting Saturday to a Microsoft corporate Web log.

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:42 am
by Geebs
Man, I had a really heavy weekend and when I woke up, I had dirt on my rootkit.

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:29 am
by +JuggerNaut+
Canidae wrote:Microsoft to the rescue!

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+will+wipe ... 49041.html
Microsoft will update its security tools to detect and remove part of the copy protection tools installed on PCs when some music CDs are played.

The Redmond, Wash., software maker has determined that the "rootkit" piece of the XCP software on some Sony BMG Music Entertainment CDs can pose a security risk to Windows PCs, according to a posting Saturday to a Microsoft corporate Web log.
old =P

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:34 am
by Eraser
lol, Sony is overruled everywhere.

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:56 am
by +JuggerNaut+
i bet you're loving this.

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:06 am
by +JuggerNaut+
more goodness:
LOS ANGELES — Sony BMG Music Entertainment said Monday it will pull some of its most popular CDs from stores in response to backlash over copy-protection software on the discs. (Related item: Firestorm rages over lockdown on digital music)

Sony also said it will offer exchanges for consumers who purchased the discs, which contain hidden files that leave them vulnerable to computer viruses when played on a PC.

"Sony BMG deeply regrets any inconvenience to our customers and remains committed to providing an enjoyable and safe music experience," the company said. Sony says more than 20 titles have been released with the XCP copy-protection software, and of those CDs, over 4 million have been manufactured, and 2.1 million sold.
link for those who are smart

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:10 am
by Massive Quasars
Crushing defeat.

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:00 am
by Dave
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:i bet you're loving this.
Now you know why I buy my music from the Russians...

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:54 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
if you love it precompressed, enjoy.

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:00 am
by +JuggerNaut+
ah, a Sony non-apology:
To Our Valued Customers:

You may be aware of the recent attention given to the First4Internet XCP content protection software included on some SONY BMG CDs. We have learned that the software includes a feature that may make a user's computer susceptible to a virus written specifically to target the software.

We share the concerns of consumers regarding discs with XCP software, and we are instituting a program that will allow consumers to exchange any CD with XCP software for the same CD without copy protection. We also have asked our retail partners to remove all unsold CDs with XCP software from their store shelves and inventory. We will make further details of this program available shortly.

We deeply regret any inconvenience this may cause our customers and we are committed to making this situation right. It is important to note that the issues regarding these discs exist only when they are played on computers, not on conventional, non-computer-based CD and/or DVD players.

Our new initiatives follow the measures we have already taken, including last week's voluntary suspension of the manufacture of CDs with the XCP software. In addition, to address security concerns, we provided to major software and anti-virus companies a software update, which also may be downloaded at http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html. We will shortly provide a simplified and secure procedure to uninstall the XCP software if it resides on your computer.

Ultimately, the experience of consumers is our primary concern, and our goal is to help bring our artists' music to as broad an audience as possible. Going forward, we will continue to identify new ways to meet demands for flexibility in how you and other consumers listen to music.

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:04 am
by Eraser
That's simply dirty. Acting like they didn't know or aren't to blame.

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:17 pm
by Giraffe }{unter
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Music publisher Sony BMG, yielding to consumer concern, said on Wednesday it was recalling music CDs containing copy-protection software that acts like virus software and hides deep inside a computer.

"We share the concerns of consumers regarding discs with XCP content-protected software, and, for this reason, we are instituting a consumer exchange programme and removing all unsold CDs with this software from retail outlets," Sony BMG said in an statement.

The XCP software used by Sony BMG, which was developed by British software developers First4Internet, leaves the back door open for malicious online hackers.

Sony BMG, in a separate statement, also announced it would distribute a program to remove the software from a PC where it jeopardises security.

"We deeply regret any inconvenience this may cause our customers. Details of this (recall) program will be announced shortly," Sony BMG said.

The withdrawal is set to affect millions of compact discs from artists such as Celine Dion and Sarah McLachlan but Sony did not give exact figures or the names of the artists affected.

Sony reiterated that the copy-protection software only installs itself on personal computers and not on ordinary CD and DVD players.

Microsoft Corp.'s anti-virus team said on Tuesday it would add a detection and removal mechanism to rid a personal computer of the Sony's DRM copy-protection software. The software installs itself only on PCs running Microsoft's Windows operating system.

VIRUSES EMERGE

The flaws of the copy-protection software became acute last week, when the first computer viruses emerged that took advantage of the security holes left by the program.

Responding to public outcry over the software, the music publishing venture of Japanese electronics conglomerate Sony Corp. and Germany's Bertelsmann AG had said on Friday it would temporarily suspend the manufacture of music CDs containing XCP technology.

It then provided a patch to make the hidden program more visible. At the time it did not recall the CDs or offer a program to remove it from computers. The initial measures still left PCs vulnerable, according to software engineers.

The program will have installed itself on a Windows-operated personal computer when consumers wanted to play certain Sony BMG music CDs. The program forces consumers to use a music player that comes with the program.

Sony BMG has positioned itself as a defender of artists' rights. It re-emphasised on Friday that copy-protection software is "an important tool to protect our intellectual property rights and those of our artists".

Sony BMG last week was targeted in a class action lawsuit complaining that it had not disclosed the true nature of its copy-protection software.

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:53 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
Giraffe }{unter wrote:
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Music publisher Sony BMG, yielding to consumer concern, said on Wednesday it was recalling music CDs containing copy-protection software that acts like virus software and hides deep inside a computer.

"We share the concerns of consumers regarding discs with XCP content-protected software, and, for this reason, we are instituting a consumer exchange programme and removing all unsold CDs with this software from retail outlets," Sony BMG said in an statement.

The XCP software used by Sony BMG, which was developed by British software developers First4Internet, leaves the back door open for malicious online hackers.

Sony BMG, in a separate statement, also announced it would distribute a program to remove the software from a PC where it jeopardises security.

"We deeply regret any inconvenience this may cause our customers. Details of this (recall) program will be announced shortly," Sony BMG said.

The withdrawal is set to affect millions of compact discs from artists such as Celine Dion and Sarah McLachlan but Sony did not give exact figures or the names of the artists affected.

Sony reiterated that the copy-protection software only installs itself on personal computers and not on ordinary CD and DVD players.

Microsoft Corp.'s anti-virus team said on Tuesday it would add a detection and removal mechanism to rid a personal computer of the Sony's DRM copy-protection software. The software installs itself only on PCs running Microsoft's Windows operating system.

VIRUSES EMERGE

The flaws of the copy-protection software became acute last week, when the first computer viruses emerged that took advantage of the security holes left by the program.

Responding to public outcry over the software, the music publishing venture of Japanese electronics conglomerate Sony Corp. and Germany's Bertelsmann AG had said on Friday it would temporarily suspend the manufacture of music CDs containing XCP technology.

It then provided a patch to make the hidden program more visible. At the time it did not recall the CDs or offer a program to remove it from computers. The initial measures still left PCs vulnerable, according to software engineers.

The program will have installed itself on a Windows-operated personal computer when consumers wanted to play certain Sony BMG music CDs. The program forces consumers to use a music player that comes with the program.

Sony BMG has positioned itself as a defender of artists' rights. It re-emphasised on Friday that copy-protection software is "an important tool to protect our intellectual property rights and those of our artists".

Sony BMG last week was targeted in a class action lawsuit complaining that it had not disclosed the true nature of its copy-protection software.
you're late to the game, son.

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:11 pm
by Giraffe }{unter
yup I read your pose, but I incuded mine because it quotes what is said in yours and adds sony's action