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Eraser wrote:Brisk, would you say that the game, for you, looks notably worse than what's been on display at E3, QuakeCon and all the screenshot and videomaterial released so far?

Because if that's the case then I can't help but think that either your game configuration or system settings are fucked (or there's a chance that it's due to a bug in the game).

While I haven't seen the game run in real-time with my own eyes, I just cannot imagine id Software showcasing a game at gaming expo showfloors that look like something they won't deliver to the consumers. That just makes no sense.

I'm not saying that the game was released in an acceptable state, obviously there are problems, but if the game looks as crap as many people want us to believe then I'm more inclined to think that it's a configuration problem or possibly a bug in the game than to think that the game (engine) is inherently flawed or that the assets are of such poor quality.

The screenshot you posted after this shows the extremes. Firstly, the bottom shot is obviously a lod-related issue, where the person playing probably moved around fast and the full texture hadn't loaded in yet. I don't get this problem, since i'm on an nvidia card and have properly set up my cache/vt settings. I've also got 1.5gb of VRAM and 12gb of main RAM, so it's just not an issue for me. The shot above it is probably from that id uncompressed 1tb build and is nowhere near the quality you get in game. So both are wrong.

There's nothing wrong with mine or any other machine. Just browse this thread on the steam forums and you'll see how bad it is. Note that these kind of textures are EVERYWHERE in the world and not something you have to struggle to look for. The Mayors office for example is surrounded by paintings and other models that are literally smeared in shit textures. There is either something dramatically wrong with the way RAGE is loading textures, or the textures themselves are low res. Hopefully it's the former and it will be fixed, but if it's the latter, then megatextures (lol) was the worst idea ever and id's reputation for making next-level engines was just shot to shreds.

Here are some screenshots I've just taken, mainly from Wellsprings, which shows the extent of the texture inconsistancy issues. These are with a GTX 580 (overclocked), i7 920@3.8ghz, 12gb DDR3 Corsair Vengence RAM @ 1920x1200 with 8x AA and GPU transcoding.

http://imgur.com/a/lCtnf

Character models and textures look great. Unfortunately, everything else is a mess.

That third shot is looking rather N64-ish haha

ouch. wtf

Tsakali wrote:ouch. wtf

[lvlshot]http://i.imgur.com/ZwReT.jpg[/lvlshot]

this looks lovely though:
[lvlshot]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/55866 ... 93C0EAAEB/[/lvlshot]

http://steamcommunity.com/id/RetroEvolu ... r=app_9200

I'm getting 60FPS locked, 1280x1050, 4xAF, no AA, and I never see ANY streaming issues. But thats only because I used the following on the command line and created the cache dir:

+set com_allowConsole 1 +set com_skipIntroVideo 1 +set vt_pageimagesizeuniquediffuseonly2 8192 +set vt_pageimagesizeuniquediffuseonly 8192 +set vt_pageimagesizeunique 8192 +set vt_pageimagesizevmtr 8192 +set fc_maxcachememoryMB 1024

Before I did that, I had random FPS and a lot of streaming issues.

EDIT: Negative on the poor FPS... I was using the console at the time, and I had FRAPS enabled... So it was recording movies by mistake, lol. But the above fixed the streaming issues big time. I wish I could use 16k texture pools but sadly this happens when I do: http://www.team-blur-games.com/forums/d ... &mode=view

But with 8k, its perfect: http://www.team-blur-games.com/forums/d ... &mode=view

Eraser wrote:this looks lovely though:
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well, that could be because the shot is very carefully set to not have anything too close to view...you can already tell that there are iffy textures on those barriers in front of the player. As for the view farther away... well, that's self explanatory.

Plays well on the PS3 but I'm glad I only rented this one.

The same could be said for all the other shots. They're carefully set up to show low res textures in full view.

Oh and it's a whole gallery full of slick looking screenshots. So I'm not too worried about this game.

nah, brisk's images look pretty crappy all around. Entire rooms look crappy... So basically, anything farther than 20 feet looks "good"

I didn't click on your link

The biggest issue I'm seeing isn't the resolution as such. When you play, you look at the image as a whole, and its surprising how little you notice. Of course you'll notice on a static screenshot... But the biggest issue I see, is that the compression gets fucked up the arse the darker the area. So, if you go into a black shadow room, forget seeing anything other than jpeg compression style blocks and muddy textures.

Plus, for some reason, their dust/smoke particle effects have no actual texture, its just soft. And this doesn't help make the world look any less blurred, because they blend in too much.

Memphis wrote:

brisk wrote: These are with a GTX 580 (overclocked), i7 920@3.8ghz, 12gb DDR3

why on earth would you overclock on a beast with that many teeth? you're risking errors in games tenfold needlessly

looks like the alpha male is insecure

Memphis wrote:

brisk wrote: These are with a GTX 580 (overclocked), i7 920@3.8ghz, 12gb DDR3

why on earth would you overclock on a beast with that many teeth? you're risking errors in games tenfold needlessly

It's factory overclocked with a custom heatsink.

Tsakali wrote:nah, brisk's images look pretty crappy all around. Entire rooms look crappy... So basically, anything farther than 20 feet looks "good"

I didn't click on your link

Actually, RAGE is the only game i've played where textures look shit whether you're an inch away from an object or 10 ft.

Anybody that thinks this looks bad needs shooting. Sure, it falls apart right up close, but when you view the image as a whole, its jaw dropping in spots just how much work went into it:

http://www.team-blur-games.com/forums/d ... &mode=view
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I suspect the problems are hardware/driver specific. o'dium and Eraser's shots look amazing, brisk not so much. You guys may want to post driver versions.

That shot I just posted is what odium thinks looks good, obsidian. It's one of his screenshots.

I'm using 285.38 btw. And yeah, framerate never drops below 60, ever. Performance wise, it's perfect and my system is well above the recommended xbox360 spec.

Intel i7 CPU 950 @3.07ghz
BFG GTX 295 SLI (One GPU disabled for Rage) running driver version 285.38
4gig Corsair Ram (Can't recall name, but its the fast expensive shit)
Windows 7 64bit
Fatality x-Fi Pro Sound Card
Shitty bog standard WD or something HDD.

Now, as I said before, my game runs flawless. Not a single frame rate drop, it sticks to 60 at all times no matter what, and I've only once or twice even noticed texture streaming but that was when pelting it into a new large area at fast speed, and even then once it loads... Its loaded. The cache file edit by making the folder by hand, plus the settings I posted above, those were my only changes.

I'm going to try starting over. I saved and quit inside a room and now whenever I try to load that save all the texture loading freezes my computer for up to a minute at a time. So I'm trapped there basically.

Can't wait to get home and play this some more. Anyone up for some races tonight?

More tweaks

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments ... de/c2p15zc

Yeah, I used that (amongst a number of others) when I took those screenies earlier bitwise. Doesn't do much.

seta com_videoRam "1536" //sets the Video Card memory Set this to the amount you have in MB
seta com_maxfps "60" //limits the frames to 60 can be changed to what you desire
seta image_anisotropy "16" //Using the highest setting here but you can set as 2, 4 or 8
seta image_usecompression 0
seta image_filter "GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_LINEAR" //filtering for light maps
seta image_preload "1" //Use preload images when ever possible
seta image_lodbias "-1" //LoD settings
seta image_ignoreHighQuality "0" //Sets up for using HQ gfx
seta image_ignoreLowQuality "1" //ignores the low textures
seta image_useCache "1" //Enabled Cache to allow the textures to load properly without popping
seta image_cacheMegs "125" //Cache size in Megabytes
seta image_cacheMinK "50" //Cache minimum size in kilobytes
seta r_swapInterval 1 //VSYNC 1 enabled, 0 diabled
seta r_useHighQualityPostProcess "1" //Fore High Quality post proccessing
seta r_shadowsHighQuality "1" //Fore High Quality shadows
seta r_displayRefresh "0" //keep it so the engine doesn't double render a frame
seta r_renderer "best" //highest rendering options
seta r_multiSamples "8" //Set this to 16 or 8 if you're having low-fps as 32 is the Max Multi-sampling
seta r_useHBAO "1" //Ambient occlusion
seta r_useRenderThread "0" // 0 Disable or 1 Enable threaded rendering useful for newer cards to increase performance.
seta r_visDistMult "1"
seta r_useMotionBlur "1" //use blur
seta r_skipBump "0"
seta r_skipSpecular "0"
seta r_skipNewAmbient "0"
seta r_shadows "1"
seta r_cgFragmentProfile "best"
seta r_cgVertexProfile "best"
seta vt_lodBias "-1" //LoD settings
//below is cache settings
seta vt_pageimagesizeuniquediffuseonly2 "8192"
seta vt_pageimagesizeuniquediffuseonly "8192"
seta vt_pageimagesizeunique "8192"
seta vt_pageimagesizevmtr "8192"
vt_restart

These seem to have helped a little, if only to give it a kind of "unsharp mask" style look. Put them in Rageconfig.cfg in your base folder.