looks like Bush might share the blame for New Orleans...

Post by **Freakaloin** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:53 pm

and i think he is gonna get impeached or put in jail before long...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/1/155317/6225

Post by **R00k** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:56 pm

Post by **shiznit** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:59 pm

I hope something happens to Bush after this.

Post by **seremtan** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:12 pm

Freakaloin wrote:and i think he is gonna get impeached or put in jail before long...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/1/155317/6225

no he won't because the worthless dems don't have the sack for it. they're afraid that tackling a 'war president' would sound unpatriotic. that's my guess anyway

Post by **R00k** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:20 pm

The Democrats are currently split over whether to support the war, or just try to do it better than Bush.

I'm sure it will be late 2006 before they even decide on a direction for the party just on this single issue. WIth very few exceptions, they are a pack of worthless, self-serving power-grabbers who can't even figure out how to capitalize on a 53% disapproval rating for the president.

They'll be no help.

Post by **feedback** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:35 pm

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
Dek wrote:Taiwan just got hit with a typhoon..

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html
2 dead! \o/

Hey, 2 of my friends are there right now.

LOL wouldn't it be funny if both were them?

Post by **Dave** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:51 pm

Everyone is responsible for this. Bush 2, Clinton, Bush 1, and so on down the presidency and their subordinates who had anything to do with it. Everyone who knows anything about hurricans knew this was going to happen eventually and we've had decades to fix it. Hell, I knew it, everytime a hurricane approaches that part of the coast, the news people talk about it.. it was common knowledge.

But the only part of the whole thing that actually angers me is that we had plenty of time to move everyone out of the city. We watched the news for an entire day before it happened. It would have taken an effort (read: money), but it was doable. It's the equvilant of watching a plane flying into the WTC at 1mph and not helping people get out who were unable.

Post by **R00k** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:00 pm

Earlier administrations might have known about this possibility just as well as Bush did (even though it wasn't until 2001 it was rated as one of 3 most likely catastrophes to occur).

But did anyone else decide to massively cut funding for the prevention/protection projects? This isn't a sarcastic/rhetorical question - I'm asking because I don't know.

Post by **Dave** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:04 pm

This isn't a Bush thing.. I'm not pointing fingers at one person when they're all to blame, just like 9/11.. the entire federal system is to blame.

I do think Bush's response was incredibly uninspiring and weak, but as far as blaming someone, everyone has to take blame. Past administrations didn't "might know," they knew. I'd look for evidence, but the fact that I knew, means they had to have known long before

Post by **bitWISE** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:14 pm

I agree with Dave. Everyone who didn't stand up for the project is to blame.

Post by **Duhard** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:33 pm

feedback wrote:Hey, 2 of my friends are there right now.

LOL wouldn't it be funny if both were them?

Post by **R00k** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:35 pm

But still, there's a difference between ignoring evidence, and actively undermining prevention work.

I was just wondering if cutting the projects' funding had been a trend of administrations in the past, or if that was strictly a W move due to the war.

Post by **raw** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:46 pm

IMO - Regan was the last president we had with morals and values. Everyone else should die in a fire.

Post by **R00k** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:51 pm

There was some seriously shady shit that went on in the Regan administration.

I'd almost like to do a little experiment to see how corrupting Washington is -- like take a well-known humanitarian and have him elected as president... And then see how long it takes for him to bomb someone, give handouts to party donors, cut funding to important community projects, etc.

I have the feeling that Washington is so full of corruption, anyone who makes it to president can't be surrounded by all the greed and deception for long without becoming corrupt whether they were before or not. Like being institutionalized in a prison or something.

Post by **raw** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:59 pm

I was referring to the character and integrity of Regan himself. I'm postive there were some shady people under him. For the most part though, Regan was a man of his word and a man of honor. One of the few (if not only) Republicans I've ever liked.

Post by **Foo** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:00 am

On the subject: Of course he's to blame. He's president of the richest country in the world, and we're seeing a disaster unfold which shouldn't be allowed to happen to a country with such resources at its disposal.

The president decides how resources are allocated, and this crisis depends massively on resouces. Both before and now afterwards.

Post by **raw** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:04 am

You need to know that any American with a brian knows what's going on here and I predict in the years to come (if the religious people aren't right about the end of the world being near) that there will be a "revolution" in America. The people aren't falling for it anymore aside from the inbred, redneck, warmongering, NRA members from the midwestern states.

Post by **Foo** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:06 am

I'd love to believe that but actions speak lounder than words, and all that jazz.

Anywhichway, lets not get into that one

Post by **raw** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:08 am

Well, I for one am tired of the shit here from our goverment. I am of the opinion that our ancestors who founded this country are rolling in their graves over what our goverment has turned into. I know PLENTY of ex-US soldiers who have served in NAM all the way to IRAQ and all of them have been shit on by our goverment.

Post by **blood.angel** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:35 am

raw wrote:Well, I for one am tired of the shit here from our goverment. I am of the opinion that our ancestors who founded this country are rolling in their graves over what our goverment has turned into. I know PLENTY of ex-US soldiers who have served in NAM all the way to IRAQ and all of them have been shit on by our goverment.

Just wait until next week when the first army recruiter gets the bright idea to go canvassing the newly homeless for more fodder for Iraq. Loads more poor folk going to be in the military now.

'Come on son you got no house how you going to feed your family? The army will do that for you!'.

Post by **JulesWinnfield** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:52 am

True, this isn't a Bush thing.. but it does happen that Bush is the one in office atm. His response and take charge/leadership skill to every crisis so far under his authority have been quite underwhelming.

To be fair, that could probably be applied to any president. It's just Bush's poor luck that it's all happening to him. THAT BEING SAID, he is the President of the supposedly greatest nation in the free world - his performance at handling the shit being thrown at him is fucking pathetic.

Post by **seremtan** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:01 am

raw wrote:I was referring to the character and integrity of Regan himself. I'm postive there were some shady people under him. For the most part though, Regan was a man of his word and a man of honor. One of the few (if not only) Republicans I've ever liked.

you're joking, right? the guy was a dimwit (even thatcher thought he was a thicky and she liked him), a fanatic (believed every word of the red scare) and a terrorist (US found guilty of state terrorism in the world court for its proxy war against nicaragua) who ran up a gigantic federal deficit and dramatically increased the gap between rich and poor in america. man of honour my arse

Post by **Dave** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:11 am

JulesWinnfield wrote:True, this isn't a Bush thing.. but it does happen that Bush is the one in office atm. His response and take charge/leadership skill to every crisis so far under his authority have been quite underwhelming.

To be fair, that could probably be applied to any president. It's just Bush's poor luck that it's all happening to him. THAT BEING SAID, he is the President of the supposedly greatest nation in the free world - his performance at handling the shit being thrown at him is fucking pathetic.

I answer that buy saying yesterday it was on everyone, but today it's on him. Blame doesn't shift, but all the agency is on him now. He has to make hard choices he might not be able to make. For instance, I support the war in Iraq for my own reasons, but he's going to have to start backing off military funding to pay for our needs at home. This is where his agency comes in and I don't think he can make those kind of decisions.

Post by **raw** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:06 am

I don't think he will because Iraq benefits him and his pals financially whereas the situation in NO costs them money.

Post by **SplishSplash** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:12 am

Dave wrote: I support the war in Iraq for my own reasons

Did Saddam owe you money or something?