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Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:15 pm**

inolen wrote:This is what I was told.. tad different. Speaking the harddrive is detachable (that wording seems to mean the average user could do it), I don't see the big deal.

Because as soon as something becomes "optional" it means that you have 2 different hardware sets, and you have to make your game work on the most popular/cheapest, as it will probably be this that will sell more.

So, that means that games wont use the harddrive for anything smart, only for optional game saves and downloads.

Take a look how Doom 3 works on the xbox, its only possible because of the harddrive.

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:21 pm**

Just look at the ps2. I only know of one game that usd the hard drive, and that game suffered, because of the high game cost.

I just know people will end up buying the cheap version, because the expensive version is out of stock.

btw has any one tried to sell their xbox? I'd like to get ride of mine, before the 360 is released. I'm not sure if I'm going to use craigslist or try do store credit. My experiences with stores is every game is only worth five dollars; witch they turn around and sell for 30 to 40 dollars.

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:23 pm**

simple wrote: My experiences with stores is every game is only worth five dollars; witch they turn around and sell for 30 to 40 dollars.

this is how business works.

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:36 pm**

Well when they offer 200 dollars for 1000 dollars worth of x box games. I laugh and point at them. Let them scam some one else.

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:45 pm**

this is how depreciation works

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:54 pm**

o'dium wrote:Take a look how Doom 3 works on the xbox, its only possible because of the harddrive.

I can't seem to find anything backing this up (but then again, I suck at googling I've learned).

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:08 pm**

As far as marketing goes it's a great move. This is no different that what car companies do... i.e. Toyota Echo starting at $12,888... I mean shit we all know that if you want the car you're going to add shit thats going to increase the price... It's all marketing, don't expect MS to even make 1/100th as many "base" units as the full load version.

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:13 pm**

It's design to fuck the PS3 when the consumer sees a PS3 being 400$ and an X360 for $299 they will go for the cheaper stuff.

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:16 pm**

dzjepp wrote:It's design to fuck the PS3 when the consumer sees a PS3 being 400$ and an X360 for $299 they will go for the cheaper stuff.

I disagree they'll go for the cheaper stuff, but it does generate lots of interest. There's no such thing as bad publicity.

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:18 pm**

I don't mean everybody, but Sony will definately loose a ton of potential would-buyers in that sense.

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:21 pm**

Well we'll see what Sony comes up with...

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:26 pm**

Well, some sites have speculated that with the addition of the costly cell cpu, blueray-drive, and a 'Nvidia 7800XT type video card' it's going to be hellishly expensive. Blue-ray standalone players cost of upward to a grand at this point.

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:29 pm**

The same can be said for Microsoft though. They do have those 3 cpu's in there, for a total of 9GHz or whatever it is, and that price point is decent (let's not forget the original Playstation cost $499 at launch).

Both are gonna loose money on each console sold no doubt, I'm just wondering if it's going to be more than the original Xbox (MS lost close to $100 on each sale I thinks).

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:38 pm**

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
andyman wrote:Well I can't wait to get some insane game picture clarity because i ordered this tv a couple days ago

http://refurbelectronics.com/32afx54-rb.html

can't wait to see halo 3

agrees :icon26:

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:12 pm**

dzjepp wrote:Well, some sites have speculated that with the addition of the costly cell cpu, blueray-drive, and a 'Nvidia 7800XT type video card' it's going to be hellishly expensive. Blue-ray standalone players cost of upward to a grand at this point.

Sony has already admitted that it will be expensive.

Secondly, what standalone blue ray players?

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:52 pm**

If the consumer can afford a 399, then a year from now, wouldn't it be likely they will be able to afford 100-200 for a ps2?

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:11 pm**

neh wrote:
R00k wrote:They're offering a hobbled version that doesn't have any of the features they've been promising? That's retarded. Especially for the reason Odium pointed out - now developers can't make games that rely on all the new features, unless they make two versions; or piss off the customers who bought the cheap version.

Shit, new consoles have been coming out at around 300 bucks - for the features they've added, 400 doesn't seem like too much to ask. Why offer the shitty one? That messes up everything.
you didn't get a memory card as standard with the dreamcast - yet lots of games demanded you had one or you couldnt save your position - scale is smaller (in terms of cost) but the principle is exactly the same isn't it - if you wanted to play those games you bought the card - cant see a difference

If the hard drive is detachable, and you can purchase it separately, then I don't see it being a problem. But I wasn't aware that was the case. I thought it had an internal HD or something. So, if you wanted to add a hard drive, you had to spend 400 bucks on a new console.

Posted: **Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:34 am**

inolen wrote:
o'dium wrote:Take a look how Doom 3 works on the xbox, its only possible because of the harddrive.
I can't seem to find anything backing this up (but then again, I suck at googling I've learned).

Dont need to google, load it up

The first time you load, anything, in Doom 3 xbox, it takes forever. Even the cinematics take an age to load. But, once its loaded them, its actually placed them on the harddrive. Next time you turn the machine on, and skip a cinematic, its instant, because the next bit has already been loaded to the hard drive (I think the whole menu is saved there).

Then, while ingame, i'm pretty sure what it does is to copy everything to the harddriver and as much as it can to memory to reduce stuttering, or something silly but cool... Either way, it couldn't happen without the harddrive.

Now with next gen games needing INSANE amounts of memory, 512 seems like a lot but what about in 4 years when games are at their best and they need more ways to speed the game up? It would piss a lot of people off if Halo 5 could only be bought if you had a hard drive.

Posted: **Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:35 am**

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
dzjepp wrote:Blue-ray standalone players cost of upward to a grand at this point.

Secondly, what standalone blue ray players?

Posted: **Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:40 am**

Yeah blu-ray, while a nice idea, i think may just kill the ps3... Not only will everything be very expensive, but it will also kill off piracy for the console. And no matter waht sony or any other company says, a good bit of piracy helps the company in the end more than it hurts (ok DC had to much, lol, but things like the old PS-one had it great. But then again, they did have like 4 months of waiting time in the UK for a game thats been released in the US).

Posted: **Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:42 am**

killing piracy is not a bad thing, jeebuz.

i want to know where dzjepp saw these stand alone players for 1k.

Posted: **Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:21 am**

There's also absolutely no way they'd get Oblivion to run on 360 without a hard disk.

Posted: **Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:01 pm**

Geebs wrote:There's also absolutely no way they'd get Oblivion to run on 360 without a hard disk.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/642/642988p1.html

"We would recommend you get one if you have the means, but it is in no way a requirement." It is currently unknown if this recommendation is due to performance differences with the additional hardware or just a matter of having more space to save game information.

Posted: **Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:20 pm**

o'dium wrote:
Turbanator wrote:UKers: 209 and 279 for UK Launch... acceptable? Considering PS2 and other bollocks used to launch at 499!
£250 for everything is a nice price. 300 is to much, 200 is to cheap.

IMO.

You're an idiot. I like how you totally ignore the 30 quid thats ontop of your quote of '250' but you whine about the other 20 quid that would take it up to 300.

Fucking idiot.

Posted: **Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:46 pm**

Mr.Magnetichead wrote:
o'dium wrote:
Turbanator wrote:UKers: 209 and 279 for UK Launch... acceptable? Considering PS2 and other bollocks used to launch at 499!
£250 for everything is a nice price. 300 is to much, 200 is to cheap.

IMO.
You're an idiot. I like how you totally ignore the 30 quid thats ontop of your quote of '250' but you whine about the other 20 quid that would take it up to 300.

Fucking idiot.

What? Say that again without sounding like a prick? If you can

Oh and make sense this time. How is 250, being smack bang in the middle of to much and to little, stupid?

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