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Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:34 pm**

Eraser wrote:I absolutely HATE how rep talks about RA3 and crt as if it's his best friend and his "knowledge" is first hand knowledge.

Stop being such a cock rep.

rep's post seemed to be a reasonable opinion to me tbh.

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:36 pm**

^misantropia^ wrote:
Iccy (temp) wrote:i hope not.

The question is, will there be CPMA and OSP.

arQon wrote:I was going to write this closer to the time, but here's the nutshell version:

Q4 needs to be a LOT better than Doom3 was for Rhea or I to consider doing something with it, and I mean that across the board.

The gameplay in Doom3 was just atrocious. And I'm not even talking about the MP: the *SP* was nothing but an exercise in tedious repetition.
If the *base* game is so bad that nobody plays it, there's no community worth modding for. c.f. Painkiller.

The quality of the gamecode in Doom3 was embarrassingly bad, and given Raven's track record it might well be even worse in Q4.
If the code is such a clusterfuck that looking at it makes us want to throw our hands up in disgust, we're not going to spend weeks and months fighting through it trying to fix bugs and add features.

The netcode/demos/etc in Doom3 were, well, you know.
If the game isn't playable or watchable, why bother modding for it? Again, c.f. Painkiller.

Q4 is going to have to surpass Doom3 by an absolutely HUGE amount in all those areas. If it does, we'll give some serious thought to working with it; if it fails on ANY of those fronts though, we'll write it off as a dead loss.
Full thread here.

This sounds like the typical stuck-foot up his arse elittist coder attitue of arq

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:41 pm**

dzjepp wrote:This sounds like the typical stuck-foot up his arse elittist coder attitue of arq

While that's true, it really is his and rhea's perogative on this one. Granted, they've been spoiled by the Q3 game source (which is, compared to other vendors FPS game code, very tidy). Of course, I don't think there's any rule to say arQon and Rhea have to be the ones to create such a mod for Q4. If it turns out they are the only ones who would, then perhaps their elitist attitudes are warranted. Who knows?

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:47 pm**

xchaser wrote:yea I remember the good old days of nVa, ki and xeno on fraginfiesta with cardinal, storm and others. meeting you back on the pgl was also good old time from Quake 2 days. Replicant yea that was some good old fun too on alley beating and I might bring that back with Amu for Quake 4.

heh i'll never forget my days on that q2 server that had the warehouse over and over

what was the name of the server again?

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:58 pm**

Foo wrote:
dzjepp wrote:This sounds like the typical stuck-foot up his arse elittist coder attitue of arq
While that's true, it really is his and rhea's perogative on this one. Granted, they've been spoiled by the Q3 game source (which is, compared to other vendors FPS game code, very tidy). Of course, I don't think there's any rule to say arQon and Rhea have to be the ones to create such a mod for Q4. If it turns out they are the only ones who would, then perhaps their elitist attitudes are warranted. Who knows?

Heh. I'm mostly in a bind about the way the osp development has trinkled downward recently. Mostly after the huge thread arq made at esreality on updating osp, and based on a (few) troll responses (the general consensus I believe, most osp'ers would love to see their mod updated and maybe bring a few oldie's back to it

), blew his gasket and decided to prolong his decision whether osp will ever be updated again indefinately. You know, the mod that is keeping q3 alive by the smallest of roots.

I think his decision could be summed by his sig and the way he feels about his true passion (cpma development):

Evolve or face extinction
http://www.promode.org
ph34r the hedgehog!

:icon32:

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:08 pm**

Does OSP really need to be updated? It does its job just fine.

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:10 pm**

It would be nice if it was though (wouldn't hurt).

EDIT: There's a chance it might improve the feel though no? I don't know if you've tried playing some ffa on vq3 servers lately or whenever but it feels so sluggish compared to (current osp) even. Recently I was messing with cpma, nothing major though, and it feels really nice. Maybe that kind of improvement can be felt in osp as well. I'm not gonna just latch on to cpma though because (at least from what I've seen) everybody plays 1v1. I mostly play tdm and ctf (both osp) nowadays. With ca thrown in between. =D

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:20 pm**

dzjepp, why would you play OSP when CPMA/VQ3 has everything[1] OSP has and more?
[1] I mean everything.

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:24 pm**

Because of those reasons I outlined. Not enough servers or players vote vq3 (let's not get into cpma > vq3 argument or whatever okay? but for the sake say that each has it's own preference

). And correct me if I'm wrong but does anyone play tdm or ctf there? Or is it like 90% 1v1? (Add to that, the actuall game activity - when people are playing - seems to be non-existent). I also like playing with familiar faces (like the people that play ctf).

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:27 pm**

Can you change the armor system to the q3 one yet?

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:40 pm**

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:41 pm**

dzjepp wrote:Because of those reasons I outlined. Not enough servers or players vote vq3 (let's not get into cpma > vq3 argument or whatever okay? but for the sake say that each has it's own preference ). And correct me if I'm wrong but does anyone play tdm or ctf there? Or is it like 90% 1v1? (Add to that, the actuall game activity - when people are playing - seems to be non-existent). I also like playing with familiar faces (like the people that play ctf).

The thing I had in mind was changing servers running OSP to servers running CPMA/VQ3. Admins can pretty much lock down the physics and ruleset (if they want to) and players will benefit from improved netcode and other goodies.

CTF and TDM are played btw, but mostly through IRC pickup (#cpmpickup on enterthegame, if I'm not mistaken).

@Doomer: yes, just do /callvote gameplay vq3

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:46 pm**

I don't know how that would work unless you where to shake those admins by their collars and slap them on the cheeks before you get a response like that.

The way I see it: (I'm not at home, so I can't fire up ASE and give you an exact number but)

Say there are 1000 osp servers. Today, 90% are never played on (or very very rarely, or just housed with bots). And even 90% might be a generous number.

Anybody that still plays Q3 today, pretty much knows that to even get a game going with humans means you have to look in familiar places that are frequented by regulars (and those are slim pickings to say the least). :icon32:

So I don't know if most server admins are even aware or checking up on their servers to see that they are constantly dead, and if so how come they don't pull the plug? Maybe they just don't care. If they REALLY haven't been looking at their servers at all, something like a huge announcment: NEW OSP RELEASED 1.04 OMG OMG or CPMA/OSP MERGER RELEASED! would maybe get them to update their servers. Maybe.

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:54 pm**

FUN FACT: q3 has twice the players of UT2k4.

I'm hoping q4 doesnt even need an OSP, and has all the main "pro" features already in place. It only splits the community.

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:56 pm**

I'm also hoping there is no cpma for q4. Fuck that piece of shit.

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:57 pm**

If id would only hire arqon to help mold the mp portion...

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:59 pm**

DooMer wrote:I'm also hoping there is no cpma for q4. Fuck that piece of shit.

I could care less for any mod tbh. Imagine if q4 ran nothing but vq4, that means 100% of the players stay in the same pool and we all have constant fun!

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:42 pm**

dzjepp wrote:
DooMer wrote:I'm also hoping there is no cpma for q4. Fuck that piece of shit.
I could care less for any mod tbh. Imagine if q4 ran nothing but vq4, that means 100% of the players stay in the same pool and we all have constant fun!

like TA!

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:49 pm**

dzjepp wrote:If id would only hire arqon to help mold the mp portion...

You serious? He hasn't invented anything.. he takes portions of other people's mods and calls them his own..

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:50 pm**

StormShadow wrote:someone is just bitter cuz the ra3 dev team turned down his map1 remake

Last I heard they were doing rocket arena for doom3, which could easilly be converted to q4. But will it be any good is the question?

LOL... Burn.

They didn't turn it down. I turned them down. They told me to remove the water, and I said no. Besides, MountainYew already did a map1 CA remake and everyone is too blind to see that his layout is exactly the same. I suppose they were too busy trying to flame me saying that I somehow ripped it off (It was a total rebuild. Q3Map2 wasn't even to the point where you could extract a .map yet when I finished the damn thing!) I had some other maps, but they didn't seem to care.

Oh well, I got a shitload of features put in that would be revolutionary if this was 2001 and people still cared about RA3. PM me.

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:54 pm**

Dek wrote:
dzjepp wrote:If id would only hire arqon to help mold the mp portion...
You serious? He hasn't invented anything.. he takes portions of other people's mods and calls them his own..

Here's a little known fact. I was there for the initial development of "CPMA." You know what it was? Rocket Arena 3.

r0adrunner ran a RA3 hybrid server and suddenly it would say, "ProMode settings enabled!" or something like that. There was new stuff being added all the time, like silent footsteps for example.

CPMA is basically RA3 with OSP features and a bunch of little shit talkers.

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:54 pm**

MKJ wrote:
dzjepp wrote:
DooMer wrote:I'm also hoping there is no cpma for q4. Fuck that piece of shit.
I could care less for any mod tbh. Imagine if q4 ran nothing but vq4, that means 100% of the players stay in the same pool and we all have constant fun!
like TA!

Team Arena is honestly the most fun thing idsoftware ever produced. If Team Arena was the original version of Q3, the community would easily be double in size at this point.

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:58 pm**

Team Arena had the same problem Doom3 RoE has, it's an expansion. And as being an expansion can't really be modded for the masses.

Threewave CTF would of been fun, but since it's lobbed into the expansion it's not sharing the same root folder and thus eliminates alot of the client base.

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:02 pm**

TA was great. it was the whole 1.25 PR debacle that killed it. they also had to emphasize the teamplay just a tad more, by implementing flagdrop and runedrops.

when the demo was just out, it was first downloaded by the real ctf lovers, which made the game quite enjoyable. soon after the full release every warezkiddie was online screwing the game up with teamkilling and grenade spamming :icon33:

Posted: **Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:11 pm**

Dek wrote:Team Arena had the same problem Doom3 RoE has, it's an expansion. And as being an expansion can't really be modded for the masses.

Threewave CTF would of been fun, but since it's lobbed into the expansion it's not sharing the same root folder and thus eliminates alot of the client base.

LMAO, Threewave is for newbs. What's up with that fast switch shit?

Here's what 80% of Threewave players do: They LG you while they run up to you. As soon as they get within a few feet they start RJing all over. Their LG stats are like 25-35% for the best Threewave players. :lol:

Every Threewave clown I've seen in RA3 loses to the easiest RA3 newbs.

It is fun. At least they got the 'all weapons' stuff right. Who wants to run around camping and timing when a weapon respawns? :lol: OSP and DM players, that's who.

You know what is another mod that was extremely fun until the developers fucked it up? Weapons Factory Arena.

They whined and cried about LG 'spam' (LMFAO) so they made the lightning gun lock up after 10 shots. Yeah, that sure did a lot for the WFA community... (Refresh ASE: 0 servers, 0 players.) Jesus was that mod fun at one time. The sniper rifle was utter perfection. Headkills all the time. Great sound effects. 9/10 for the whole mod until they started crying about getting owned.

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