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Nightshade wrote:

seremtan wrote:

Nightshade wrote:Fellate a shotgun.

you'd probably miss, pinhead

Oh shut up and bend over.

a line you hear quite often no doubt

shiznit wrote:

tnf wrote:

shiznit wrote:See-through bags are stupid, because you can still hide whatever you want in something else and then put it in the back pack or make a bomb look like something else, or simply strap a bomb on to yourself. A false feeling of security is all it is. Bombs don't even have to be big to cause a shit load of damage. You can kill a dozen people with one grenade, how hard would it be to hide it?

Enforcing such a rule in subways is stupid and a big waste of money. Also how embarrassing would it be for people with medication, condoms, whatever else. Also think about women, when they have a period do they really want the rest of the world to know? I don't think so.

You can't really do much, you can't stop and check everyone, you can't put metal detectors it will take ages for people to travel and cost a ton of money. The only thing I can think of is some type of screening technology, which is able to screen people as they walk and identify objects that they have with some type of an x-ray. Sort of like Total Recall, but this is years away and will cost a shit load to be put on every station.

You can’t fight terrorism, because they will always find a way to cause damage. You cannot secure everything.

See through packs aren't designed to fix the entire problem - rather, they are a small step to help things out. In regards to school violence, small explosives and grenades are not the problems usually - guns and large knives can be. Could you still hide a gun within something else in the clear backpack? Probably. BUt they still help a bit. Just because something doesn't offer up a 100% solution to the problem does not mean it has no merit whatsoever.

But you won't fix any problem whatsoever, I mean you could easily put a gun or a knife inside a binder with a zipper or even your pocket. You will just create a stupid system that won't create any solutions, only problems for regular people. Normal people will get held up because they have something suspicious inside their clear backpack, which turns out to be their lunch in a brown bag.

I'm all for transparent lockers and backpacks in high schools. I've also been in one when a kid was shot by the SWAT team after bringing a gun in. Anything you can do to make it more of a pain in the ass for kids to hide their drugs/weapons/etc. is fine with me. Kids will worry about what they've hidden within the clear pack falling loose and becoming visible, etc.

But there was a kid gunned down by the SWAT team 2 years ago in a room that I taught in, after a standoff with them. Maybe I'm biased.

tnf wrote: Maybe I'm biased.

no. it's just a good idea.

tnf wrote:

shiznit wrote:

tnf wrote: See through packs aren't designed to fix the entire problem - rather, they are a small step to help things out. In regards to school violence, small explosives and grenades are not the problems usually - guns and large knives can be. Could you still hide a gun within something else in the clear backpack? Probably. BUt they still help a bit. Just because something doesn't offer up a 100% solution to the problem does not mean it has no merit whatsoever.

But you won't fix any problem whatsoever, I mean you could easily put a gun or a knife inside a binder with a zipper or even your pocket. You will just create a stupid system that won't create any solutions, only problems for regular people. Normal people will get held up because they have something suspicious inside their clear backpack, which turns out to be their lunch in a brown bag.

I'm all for transparent lockers and backpacks in high schools. I've also been in one when a kid was shot by the SWAT team after bringing a gun in. Anything you can do to make it more of a pain in the ass for kids to hide their drugs/weapons/etc. is fine with me. Kids will worry about what they've hidden within the clear pack falling loose and becoming visible, etc.

But there was a kid gunned down by the SWAT team 2 years ago in a room that I taught in, after a standoff with them. Maybe I'm biased.

This wont really stop anything, if someone really has the desire to kill someone they will find a way to do it.

As Weise entered the school through a doorway with a metal detector, he was confronted by 28-year-old Derrick Brun, an unarmed guard. Weise shot Brun to death before proceeding into the school, Tabman said. A videotape shows Weise in a hallway, but doesn't capture any of the shootings, he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/22/school.shooting/

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:

tnf wrote: Maybe I'm biased.

no. it's just a good idea.

Kids need less privacy in the schools, not more. For everyone's safety.

Kids do hide weed, stolen purses, stolen wallets, stolen cell phones, pills, whatever, in their backpacks.

Yea, it wouldn't have stopped the kleptomaniac student I had last year who used her backpack to hide all the stolen shit I just mentioned.

Isolated incidents where it doesn't work are in no way, shape, or form evidence that it "stops absolutely nothing." People have made it through metal detectors in airports. Lets shitcan those too.

If it was up to you everyone would get a cavity search before they enter the school, even if it would stop 95% of all the shit it's still impossible to do.

Just for your information stoners don't carry drugs in their back pack, check their socks.

seremtan wrote:

Nightshade wrote:

seremtan wrote: you'd probably miss, pinhead

Oh shut up and bend over.

a line you hear quite often no doubt

ba-dum-tsssh

You like to make unsubstantiated extrapolations.
Christ...where to start? Hmm...I think clear backpacks are a good idea and you get cavity searches out of that?
Again, deterrent. The clear packs will be a deterrent and a hindrance for the activities of SOME, obviously not all, students.

And, just FYI, I know that they don't all hide their shit in their backpacks. But some do. Stop being so goddamned binary in your thinking.

tnf wrote:

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:

tnf wrote: Maybe I'm biased.

no. it's just a good idea.

Kids need less privacy in the schools, not more. For everyone's safety.

Kids do hide weed, stolen purses, stolen wallets, stolen cell phones, pills, whatever, in their backpacks.

you do know i'm agreeing with you right? where i work is 1.5 million square feet big with just over 500 employees going in and out of here in shifts. don't even ask how much $ in merchandise is here. we give team members see through fanny packs if they want one. no backpacks are allowed on the premises.

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:

tnf wrote:

+JuggerNaut+ wrote: no. it's just a good idea.

Kids need less privacy in the schools, not more. For everyone's safety.

Kids do hide weed, stolen purses, stolen wallets, stolen cell phones, pills, whatever, in their backpacks.

you do know i'm agreeing with you right? where i work is 1.5 million square feet big with just over 500 employees going in and out of here in shifts. don't even ask how much $ in merchandise is here. we give team members see through fanny packs if they want one. no backpacks are allowed on the premises.

Yea, I was reiterating the point.

ah, hehe, kk

heh, when i used to hide stuff in school none of it went in my bag

tnf, it wont work to deter anything. This has been proven a billion times over, no matter what systems you put in place people will always find ways. The war on drugs would be a good example, I could already imagine what you will say.

A good example is at my highschool during prom the school hired cops to do body searches and give breathalyzer tests. So instead of sneaking in alcohol or drinking before the event we got in a shitload of shrooms and everyone got smashed.

losCHUNK wrote:heh, when i used to hide stuff in school none of it went in my bag

too obvious :P

i keep my cigarettes in my shirt breast pocket, hidden behind my school jacket. thier first instinct is to search your bag, then your pants pockets. safe

Cigarettes? :icon19:

shiznit wrote:Cigarettes? :icon19:

yea man, shit like that gets confiscated and they aint easy to buy back =P

heh, everything went in my coat pockets and had a designated pocket/area in order of importance

everytime i had a pretty big coat (which i usually did) i would fold the end of the sleeves back in on itself which made a lip that didnt move... that was home for my weed and papers

my ciggies were kept in my inside pocket untill i bought a helly hansen coat with a rip in the sleeve, that 1 sleeve could hide the great wall of china if it wanted

shiznit wrote:tnf, it wont work to deter anything. This has been proven a billion times over, no matter what systems you put in place people will always find ways. The war on drugs would be a good example, I could already imagine what you will say.

A good example is at my highschool during prom the school hired cops to do body searches and give breathalyzer tests. So instead of sneaking in alcohol or drinking before the event we got in a shitload of shrooms and everyone got smashed.

you found a workaround using something different, but the method was still a deterrent for the other drugs. should school officials just sit back and watch the show? i'm almost afraid to ask what you would do if you were a school official.

shiznit just isn't getting what a deterrent is. It's a constant game of 1 upping each other. His line of reasoning is "if some people will eventually find a workaround the deterrent, then we should not even use it."

We know we aren't going to catch everyone, and we know folks are going to show up stoned, etc. We're trying to catch what we can.

Bottom line - if there weren't so many punks that admit to shit like getting a ton of shrooms and showing up to prom high, we wouldn't have to implement these 'inconveniences' in the first place. I can speak from experience and say that the kids who usually make the most noise about the worthlessness or unfairness of some rule (clear backpacks, whatever) are the kids with the most behavioral issues.

It's funny, though, because I have to hear shiznit's style of reasoning so often about all sorts of issues. And I continually remind kids that their prefrontal cortex isn't developed fully yet. And that someday they are going to look back at the decisions they made, and the viewpoints they had, as teenagers and say "WTF was I thinking?"

Something is better than nothing. And believe it or not, the clear backpacks are SOMETHING.

I'd be curious to hear shiznits solution, though.
Always easy to point out the flaws in one suggestion. A bit harder to come up with a better one yourself that is without any flaws.

Idiots like shiznit have nothing to add and never will. Why do you think his nick is shiznit?

Because he doesn't know shit about much of anything.

tnf wrote:shiznit just isn't getting what a deterrent is. It's a constant game of 1 upping each other. His line of reasoning is "if some people will eventually find a workaround the deterrent, then we should not even use it."

We know we aren't going to catch everyone, and we know folks are going to show up stoned, etc. We're trying to catch what we can.

Bottom line - if there weren't so many punks that admit to shit like getting a ton of shrooms and showing up to prom high, we wouldn't have to implement these 'inconveniences' in the first place. I can speak from experience and say that the kids who usually make the most noise about the worthlessness or unfairness of some rule (clear backpacks, whatever) are the kids with the most behavioral issues.

It's funny, though, because I have to hear shiznit's style of reasoning so often about all sorts of issues. And I continually remind kids that their prefrontal cortex isn't developed fully yet. And that someday they are going to look back at the decisions they made, and the viewpoints they had, as teenagers and say "WTF was I thinking?"

Something is better than nothing. And believe it or not, the clear backpacks are SOMETHING.

I'd be curious to hear shiznits solution, though.
Always easy to point out the flaws in one suggestion. A bit harder to come up with a better one yourself that is without any flaws.

It's not going to work at all. Better way would be to bring in drug sniffing dogs at random days and sniff people sitting in class, you'll find a shitload of drugs that way.

YourGrandpa wrote:Idiots like shiznit have nothing to add and never will. Why do you think his nick is shiznit?

Because he doesn't know shit about much of anything.

Talk about knowing, your some bald hick.

Still not getting it.

And folks would be all up in arms about drug sniffing dogs randomly coming through the school. They get up in arms about everything that might be a hassle to their illegal activities. Like clear bags.