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HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:

Nightshade wrote:Like spreading the truth about the Zionist lobby in DC and Jewish control of our government? Already doing it.

hmmm Jewish control of your government? Don't you mean Christian control of your government?

http://www.theocracywatch.org/bush2.htm

Wheels within wheels, my moose-molesting friend.

No no, that's a nerd within a set of wheels.

lol, his steering weel is on the wrong side of the car

you haven't exactly overwhelmed me with evidence yet

Grudge wrote:lol, his steering weel is on the wrong side of the car

:icon25: :lol:

to funny.. i was wathing a volume of bestmotoring ( a japenese automotive show ) and my cousens came over, looked at the screen for a second and said the same thing.

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:you haven't exactly overwhelmed me with evidence yet

Of what? Jewish control? Man, there's a paper that was written several Jewish neocon warhawks in the Bush administration that should be rather interesting reading material for you.

Here it is: http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

Note the authors.

Nightshade wrote:

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:you haven't exactly overwhelmed me with evidence yet

Of what? Jewish control? Man, there's a paper that was written several Jewish neocon warhawks in the Bush administration that should be rather interesting reading material for you.

Here it is: http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

Note the authors.

I have read it. Okay now explain to me how that in any way expresses Jewish control over the U.S. government.

Have you read that paper? The paper argues that Israel should stop taking aid from the U.S.

'To reinforce this point, the Prime Minister can use his forthcoming visit to announce that Israel is now mature enough to cut itself free immediately from at least U.S. economic aid and loan guarantees at least, which prevent economic reform. [Military aid is separated for the moment until adequate arrangements can be made to ensure that Israel will not encounter supply problems in the means to defend itself]'

That paper was written to lobby the Netanyahu government. I do think it wants to set out certain terms of operation between the two nations and I would agree that the two operate as an unholy alliance, but, the U.S. is paired with many other repressive and despicable regimes. Israel has had a strategic place in America's heart for longer than Perle and co. have been around.

What we're looking at is a strategic partnership.


Perhaps I'm missing something though. Could you explicitly draw the links between that article and Jewish control of America for me please?

Do you not know that nearly every author of that paper now holds a position in the Bush administration? Did you not see the part of the paper wherein they highlight the need for Hussein to be removed from power to secure Israel? Do you not see that these are the same people that have been howling for war since the day Bush got elected?

In the section you reference, note these tidbits:

...moves which will electrify and find support from a broad bipartisan spectrum of key pro-Israeli Congressional leaders, including Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.

Not only would such cooperation on missile defense counter a tangible physical threat to Israel’s survival, but it would broaden Israel’s base of support among many in the United States Congress who may know little about Israel, but care very much about missile defense. Such broad support could be helpful in the effort to move the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

Do you not see the overarching theme here? Yes, they're talking about reducing US aid (something that hasn't happened in the five years since the paper was written, what a surprise), but not about cutting ties with the US. They still want cooperation and active participation by the US in meeting their strategic security goals. Control doesn't have to be overt order and response, it's more subtle in this case.
The way I see it is this: There are many people like Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz, etc that are either Jewish, Zionist, or both in powerful positions in my government. It is through the influence of these people that Israel obtains money, weapons, and a big bulldog to do their dirtyt work for them. Look at the architects of the Iraq war, the reasons given (all bullshit), and who benefits.
It really doesn't take much to connect the dots.

I am not anit-semitic, and I don't hate Jews. I can't stand what the Israeli government does and what my government does in support of it. Perhaps control is too strong a word. I think maybe a better description might be: "Far too able to exert influence over US foreign policy". American serviceman are dying as a result of this, the Muslim world hates the US for its biased support of Israel, and my tax dollars fund the SuperCobras that blast Palestiian kids to bits.

Nightshade wrote:Do you not know that nearly every author of that paper now holds a position in the Bush administration? Did you not see the part of the paper wherein they highlight the need for Hussein to be removed from power to secure Israel? Do you not see that these are the same people that have been howling for war since the day Bush got elected?

In the section you reference, note these tidbits:

...moves which will electrify and find support from a broad bipartisan spectrum of key pro-Israeli Congressional leaders, including Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.

Not only would such cooperation on missile defense counter a tangible physical threat to Israel’s survival, but it would broaden Israel’s base of support among many in the United States Congress who may know little about Israel, but care very much about missile defense. Such broad support could be helpful in the effort to move the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

Do you not see the overarching theme here? Yes, they're talking about reducing US aid (something that hasn't happened in the five years since the paper was written, what a surprise), but not about cutting ties with the US. They still want cooperation and active participation by the US in meeting their strategic security goals. Control doesn't have to be overt order and response, it's more subtle in this case.
The way I see it is this: There are many people like Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz, etc that are either Jewish, Zionist, or both in powerful positions in my government. It is through the influence of these people that Israel obtains money, weapons, and a big bulldog to do their dirtyt work for them. Look at the architects of the Iraq war, the reasons given (all bullshit), and who benefits.
It really doesn't take much to connect the dots.

I am not anit-semitic, and I don't hate Jews. I can't stand what the Israeli government does and what my government does in support of it. Perhaps control is too strong a word. I think maybe a better description might be: "Far too able to exert influence over US foreign policy". American serviceman are dying as a result of this, the Muslim world hates the US for its biased support of Israel, and my tax dollars fund the SuperCobras that blast Palestiian kids to bits.

Well I guess I don't see it quite the way you do. To me the Iraq being a security threat to Israel was a red herring. And I believe that the Bush/Cheney (don't forget Haliburton and Carlyle [sp?]) leadership were behind the push for war in Iraq. Remember Powell saying pre 9/11 that Hussein couldn't project conventional power against his neighbors?

As far as these guys having roles in the administration, yes that means power, but these guys don't really seem out of accord with the overall foreign policy plan which the USA has followed for the last 50+ years. Compare the Saudi lobby in Washington and although there are no Saudi members of the administration, the strategic relationship, is very strong.


I'm in total agreement with you though that the American-Israeli partnership is diseased. Neither country follows a plan for peace and both countries enable each other.

Sorry I jumped on the Jewish control thing, but you could have meant any of a million things by that and I just wanted to see what was behind that phrase.