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Geebs wrote:

Dave wrote:I don't see a point in a constitution, because I don't see it making any actual difference. Written constitutions are a pain in the arse (see: the US).

Constitutions aren't the problem. The problem starts when people don't allow the document to evolve with time and take the words literally.

Yes, actually that's exactly it - it's bloody hard to find reliable, neutral information on it. I got my ideas by talking to friends, collegaues and reading the newspapers, but obviously all are quite unreliable sources since everyone's picked a side

Got a link for that proposal thing? I'll read it during my lunch break :P

EDIT: it seems i type slowly. Thanks doc.

I just don't think we'll ever agree with the French, so what's the point?

i cant vote ( ) but i'd vote no. for multiple reasons, but if i didnt have any other itd be cause the politicians are so determined to get everyone to vote yes that something must be wrong somewhere

Don Carlos wrote:

Geebs wrote:

saturn wrote:Ireland on the other hand....

......is one of the most poverty-stricken and generally unemployed bits of western europe

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Does this smiley mean that you bitterly agree with Geebs or that you find this sentence mildy amusing or that you're a bloody useless limey?

Dave wrote:

Geebs wrote:

Dave wrote:I don't see a point in a constitution, because I don't see it making any actual difference. Written constitutions are a pain in the arse (see: the US).

Constitutions aren't the problem. The problem starts when people don't allow the document to evolve with time and take the words literally.

The bible's been around for 2000 years and people are still taking the original text either too literally or out of context. You guys have had 300 years, so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one :icon25:

saturn wrote:Does this smiley mean that you bitterly agree with Geebs or that you find this sentence mildy amusing or that you're a bloody useless limey?

Ryoki wrote:Yes, actually that's exactly it - it's bloody hard to find reliable, neutral information on it. I got my ideas by talking to friends, collegaues and reading the newspapers, but obviously all are quite unreliable sources since everyone's picked a side

Got a link for that proposal thing? I'll read it during my lunch break :P

EDIT: it seems i type slowly. Thanks doc.

Yeah, I've discussed this with a few friends of mine and everybody seemed to have picked up something about the constitution that's clearly not true.

I've read a bit about it a few months ago and decided that it was in the best of Europe. I already love how I can drive to French and Spain in a few hours without showing my passport and how our academic hospital (especially the anesthesiology department) is filled with great doctors from out the whole EU.

saturn wrote:

Don Carlos wrote:

Geebs wrote: ......is one of the most poverty-stricken and generally unemployed bits of western europe

:icon26:

Does this smiley mean that you bitterly agree with Geebs or that you find this sentence mildy amusing or that you're a bloody useless limey?

Its true Dutch0, Ireland is nice, but crap.
The UK would be better off out of the Euro wank pool
It does nothing but fuck us over

whatever you do, dont use that online grondwetwijzer questionnaire thingy
thats biased as fuck, with deceptive questions n all

MKJ wrote:i cant vote ( ) but i'd vote no. for multiple reasons, but if i didnt have any other itd be cause the politicians are so determined to get everyone to vote yes that something must be wrong somewhere

if you have followed the discussions you'd know that a lot of politicians are against the constitution. I know your comment's supposed to be humerous, but voting against cause someone says you need to vote yes sounds like a puberty thing.

Just go voting, whether it's no or yes.

Don Carlos wrote:

saturn wrote:

Don Carlos wrote: :icon26:

Does this smiley mean that you bitterly agree with Geebs or that you find this sentence mildy amusing or that you're a bloody useless limey?

Its true Dutch0, Ireland is nice, but crap.
The UK would be better off out of the Euro wank pool
It does nothing but fuck us over

mebbe if you stubbern moglops would conform with the rest of the continent youd be a lot better off

fucking limey

Right, in which case the Spanish and the Greeks can start paying 17% to us

Don Carlos wrote:

saturn wrote:

Don Carlos wrote: :icon26:

Does this smiley mean that you bitterly agree with Geebs or that you find this sentence mildy amusing or that you're a bloody useless limey?

Its true Dutch0, Ireland is nice, but crap.
The UK would be better off out of the Euro wank pool
It does nothing but fuck us over

Yeah, just assume that the EU is fucking you all over and don't start thinking for yourself.

I merely added Ireland for fun, but they're better integrated than the Brits who still think that Britannia rules the seven seas.

saturn wrote:

MKJ wrote:i cant vote ( ) but i'd vote no. for multiple reasons, but if i didnt have any other itd be cause the politicians are so determined to get everyone to vote yes that something must be wrong somewhere

if you have followed the discussions you'd know that a lot of politicians are against the constitution. I know your comment's supposed to be humerous, but voting against cause someone says you need to vote yes sounds like a puberty thing.

Just go voting, whether it's no or yes.

i know sir. what i meant was, if all the highups are benefitting so mch as they claim they do, that means other people wont - especially in oversocialist dutcheeland.
i dont trust balkende nor chirac

but i got a ton of other reasons though, most of them pointing (again) at our socialistic and perhaps too tolerant culture

We are the most dominant force in Europe

Don Carlos wrote:We are the most stubborn force in Europe

fixed

MKJ wrote:

saturn wrote:

MKJ wrote:i cant vote ( ) but i'd vote no. for multiple reasons, but if i didnt have any other itd be cause the politicians are so determined to get everyone to vote yes that something must be wrong somewhere

if you have followed the discussions you'd know that a lot of politicians are against the constitution. I know your comment's supposed to be humerous, but voting against cause someone says you need to vote yes sounds like a puberty thing.

Just go voting, whether it's no or yes.

i know sir. what i meant was, if all the highups are benefitting so mch as they claim they do, that means other people wont - especially in oversocialist dutcheeland.
i dont trust balkende nor chirac

but i got a ton of other reasons though, most of them pointing (again) at our socialistic and perhaps too tolerant culture

I wouldn't trust Chirac either, but they haven't written this constitution. It's about Europe and for Europe.

lol, if you want to oppose the (already dwindling down) socialism and the tolerance, you'd better join a political party instead of voting no. Like that Peter R. de Vries party, ROFL. You know that tolerance and free-thinking have resulted in clear abortion laws, marriage for h0m0s, so feel free to break that down so Ryoki will feel

Don Carlos wrote:We are the most dominant force in Europe

It's taking all my willpower to keep from turing this into a classic Nov 99 WWII thread

Don Carlos wrote:We are the most dominant force in Europe

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it's bloody pointless to discuss with you

http://www.bnp.org.uk/

heh i wasnt insinuating we should *get rid of all the foreigners* and all that crap. im all for progressive thinking. problem is that in a case like this, duthceeland will prolly end up compensating for lack of economy in the east and demolish all those free-thinking ideas because 60% of europe opposes to them.

so im not opposing the socialism, im more worried of what it might do to the ducthoos when used on a bigger scale

feck off, this isn't about britain

Don Carlos wrote:http://www.bnp.org.uk/

They sound as retarded as those cunts we have on our southern border trying to keep the Mexicans out

MKJ wrote:heh i wasnt insinuating we should *get rid of all the foreigners* and all that crap. im all for progressive thinking. problem is that in a case like this, duthceeland will prolly end up compensating for lack of economy in the east and demolish all those free-thinking ideas because 60% of europe opposes to them.

reminder: we keep our national laws about abortion, softdrugs which the EU won't involve.

The European Constitution is about European matters.

But true, it's crap that Holland pays the biggest contribution per head to the EU.