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Another important note imo is that all of Ripleys decisions were driven by emotion, like a lot of flicks back in the day. I think a lot of blockbusters these days are just having people doing things for the sake of doing them, I think the Star Trek reboots are the most obvious examples of this but Jurassic World too.

Memphis wrote: So, what was it?

You never saw the movie and and it was just Hill's tirade against what you thought was some feminist/SJW protagonist that got your tiny trump hard.

losCHUNK wrote: Gotcha, I actually associated Claire with the Hammond character more than anything who started out as a corporate whore realising her mistake when the hybrid killed the team, thing is that didn't really convey to me cos like you said, weak arc. Hammond conveyed remorse at what he did where as Claire was just hanging onto Starlords tale.

I think Erasure got it right with reguards to the video, where she was hyped up as a strong female lead. I don't think he wanted her to be like Ripley, I think he was just using Ripley as an example of a strong female lead which she wasn't. I took it as how Ripley controlled a situation VS Claire who until the last scene kept losing the control. She actually had the stereotypical 'women driver' syndrome.

It's worth reading the comments on the video by people who have seen it more recently.

I forgot about the moment she opens the t-rex cage and leads it to the super dino.

Memphis wrote: Nice spin, Torvill.

It's you who got your frillies in a twist 'cos you figured he was bashing feminism.

You're sounding a wee bit mad, in claiming to know what films people have or have not seen. Your soy gone off?

awww....don't be angry because you've been found out.

Memphis wrote:

shaft wrote:I forgot about the penultimate moment in the movie i'm blindly defending

-shaft 2018

I've seen the movie, twice. Your boy Hill conveniently forgot about the "penultimate moment" in his vid also. I guess that didn't fit his narrative.

shaft wrote:

losCHUNK wrote: Gotcha, I actually associated Claire with the Hammond character more than anything who started out as a corporate whore realising her mistake when the hybrid killed the team, thing is that didn't really convey to me cos like you said, weak arc. Hammond conveyed remorse at what he did where as Claire was just hanging onto Starlords tale.

I think Erasure got it right with reguards to the video, where she was hyped up as a strong female lead. I don't think he wanted her to be like Ripley, I think he was just using Ripley as an example of a strong female lead which she wasn't. I took it as how Ripley controlled a situation VS Claire who until the last scene kept losing the control. She actually had the stereotypical 'women driver' syndrome.

It's worth reading the comments on the video by people who have seen it more recently.

I forgot about the moment she opens the t-rex cage and leads it to the super dino.

Was actually gonna watch the movie again but then I remembered that I couldn't be arsed, I remembered the ending chase though. Is why I said she actually came across as the stereotypical 'women driver' or damsel in distress who bettered themself (in the last scene), only that didn't really convey to me. Point is though that if she was touted as a strong female lead then they either fucked up or are lying. If theyre following the SJW/feminist road they actually did the reverse cos if that was her arc then she was essentially bettered through her interactions with a man.

shaft wrote:Has Cameron confirmed that he followed this formula? Seems like a stretch when he was picking apart every minute detail of each scene. This also reminded me how much I disliked Linda Hamilton in Terminator.

Going back to this, in his video of the T2 deleted scene with the swinging lights I couldn't help but think of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lzxaON ... &t=1h9m57s (had to dig it up)

Was a good way to add tension to an otherwise dull scene.

Speaking about Linda Hamilton n all, who I also think sucked, she's meant to be returning for the next Terminator installment. Tim Miller (Deadpool) is said to be directing.

And whilst I'm here, Memph - go watch the new Bladerunner, and Stranger Things.

losCHUNK wrote: Was actually gonna watch the movie again but then I remembered that I couldn't be arsed, I remembered the ending chase though. Is why I said she actually came across as the stereotypical 'women driver' or damsel in distress who bettered themself (in the last scene), only that didn't really convey to me. Point is though that if she was touted as a strong female lead then they either fucked up or are lying. If theyre following the SJW/feminist road they actually did the reverse cos if that was her arc then she was essentially bettered through her interactions with a man.

I didn't even consider her to be the main protagonist. Starlord was the big name in all the marketing. It might be different if I re-watched and looked for it. One doesn't go into a summer dino horror movie looking for these things.

tbh I only watched Hills clip because seremtan said it was brilliant, and that was my initial reaction also. But then started nagging me as to how I could've watched it multiple times and never felt the same way about her character. Then I started remembering things about the movie and that shit wasn't holding up. I came back to Hills video with a more critical eye and it was easy to see the quote (who i learned was the director) set him off. It wasn't a family movie, he left out all the scenes were she put herself in peril, and he remade the dialog at the end to mean that Claire was asking for advice when anyone can see she was asking about their new relationship.
I don't think her character was weak at all, just flawed.


Lets find out everything wrong with the rest of the Jurassic films next. Was the lawyers death in the first film justified by him being scared and leaving the kids or just another gratuitous display of dino carnage like the assistants death?

I just seen it as a review, compare and contrast thing. I mean Memph said it but if you remove gender it was basically a lecture about strong vs weak protagonists. I agree she wasn't the lead though and was surprised to hear she was marketed that way by the director, which is something that Hill probably wanted to draw objection to.

It looks like he has done a talk on the original too

[youtube]CHPjVgYDL6Y[/youtube]

Was gonna check it out when I got 30 mins

Aye it was the punishment for cowardice, basically. It set up nicely what happens if you lose control and make a mistake in 'this world'. It was literally someone trying to hide in the toilet and wait for it all to go away, which is something that the audience might consider. It's no coincidence that this was set up as soon as shit hit the fan n all.

"One doesn't go into a summer dino movie thinking..."

Is kind of the problem n all imo, I'm guilty of it and feel the same way, I liked Pacific Rim but we're still throwing our money into studio pockets for what is essentially disaster porn. Independence Day was a watershed moment for movies imo, it created the under 18 summer blockbuster. From that point on movies got dumber, or I've become old and jaded . I'd give a wall of text with compare and contrast but that's my overall opinion on the state of cinema atm and why TV is now actually becoming the place for good story telling and character development.