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blood.angel wrote:The correct answer is to arm the Iraqi police properly.
The US on one hand is trying to get the Iraqi police forces to take over from themselves, saving them going outside of the green zone and getting killed left and right.
While on the other hand they wont allow the iraqi police forces have anything other than 20 year old AK-47s and 1980s unarmoured cars to drive about in. Fuck, the US wont even allow them to build proper conrete barricades around their stations. All because the US is afraid they will turn around and use the weapons and armour against them.
This is why theres so many fuckers dieing. Wonder why its so easy for a truck full of explosives can drive upto the front doors of the police lines? No fucking defenses. Wonder why you hear of groups of 20+ police found executed? No fucking weapons.
And the US still wonders why they are losing.

That’s funny because you always see the Iranian police on the news with new M4s and Armourlites.

Nonsense, BA clearly has sources on the front lines.

Why would we want to stop them?

They're pretty effective at killing yanks.

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:

Canidae wrote:

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:getting the foreign troops out of the country would likely help

Or maybe getting all the foreign fighters out of there too.
You know the Islamic ones.

too bad you're an idiot who laps up any old shit you're sold by the U.S. government.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq ... usat_x.htm

Foreign detainees are few in Iraq
By Peter Eisler and Tom Squitieri, USA TODAY
Suspected foreign fighters account for less than 2% of the 5,700 captives being held as security threats in Iraq, a strong indication that Iraqis are largely responsible for the stubborn insurgency.

Since last August, coalition forces have detained 17,700 people in Iraq who were considered to be enemy fighters or security risks, and about 400 were foreign nationals, according to figures supplied last week by the U.S. military command handling detention operations in Iraq. Most of those detainees were freed after a review board found they didn't pose significant threats. About 5,700 remain in custody, 90 of them non-Iraqis.



and guess where the foreign fighters are predominantly from? Saudi Arabia


as for the power vacuum argument from cool blue, i'd suggest you look at the real situation in Iraq and realize that there already is a power vacuum. The U.S. can provide 'security' to a small area of Baghdad and that's about it. In the meantime, U.S. forces remain a lightning rod for violence.

You made up your own argument (that foreign fighters are the majority) and beat me senseless with a carefully chosen hyperlink that opiates your mind.
Bravo. You're a fucking ball kicking Euro wannabe boy genius and I got links to prove that too :icon19: :icon14:

DooMer wrote:Kill their families.

Isn't that how this all got started?

:icon32:

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=7933

I'd be interested in Cool Blue's comments on this article.

Not much to say except maybe clarify my previous comment.

If the foreign troops were to leave, Iraq would degenerate into tribal lawlessnes, ssomething like Africa and Afghanistan are experiencing. Only a pathetic figure head government too selfish and powerless to actually stabilize and rebuild the country using it's position to fatten their pockets. The local tribes/religious factions would begin warring more openly, forcing the local people to become their soldiers or die from starvation (like in Darfur and the Congo).

Given that scenario, it is my opinion that Iraq would be worse off if the foreign troops left before a stable government was in place.

Another reason I don't believe all Iraqi's 'are in on it' is because no government EVER has been able to stand up against an entire populace when it mobilizes a revolt. If all Iraq's were so angry, they would most likely stop co-operating with the Americans completely in everyway shutting the whole country down. They wouldn't work, vote, shop, talk, etc. But they aren't. They are mostly trying to get life back to normal, which to me, says they aren't that pissed, or they're only moderately annoyed.

One example is the fact there are still people volunteering to become Iraqi policeman trained by the US. If those guys don't have balls of patriotic steel, I don't know who does.

jesus...canidae is a moron...

Canidae wrote:

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:

Canidae wrote: Or maybe getting all the foreign fighters out of there too.
You know the Islamic ones.

too bad you're an idiot who laps up any old shit you're sold by the U.S. government.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq ... usat_x.htm

Foreign detainees are few in Iraq
By Peter Eisler and Tom Squitieri, USA TODAY
Suspected foreign fighters account for less than 2% of the 5,700 captives being held as security threats in Iraq, a strong indication that Iraqis are largely responsible for the stubborn insurgency.

Since last August, coalition forces have detained 17,700 people in Iraq who were considered to be enemy fighters or security risks, and about 400 were foreign nationals, according to figures supplied last week by the U.S. military command handling detention operations in Iraq. Most of those detainees were freed after a review board found they didn't pose significant threats. About 5,700 remain in custody, 90 of them non-Iraqis.



and guess where the foreign fighters are predominantly from? Saudi Arabia


as for the power vacuum argument from cool blue, i'd suggest you look at the real situation in Iraq and realize that there already is a power vacuum. The U.S. can provide 'security' to a small area of Baghdad and that's about it. In the meantime, U.S. forces remain a lightning rod for violence.

You made up your own argument (that foreign fighters are the majority) and beat me senseless with a carefully chosen hyperlink that opiates your mind.
Bravo. You're a fucking ball kicking Euro wannabe boy genius and I got links to prove that too :icon19: :icon14:

lol

you are an obfuscator with the hair of Andy Travis from WKRP

hey look...another report...

http://www.atsnn.com/story/141317.html

oh shit...i'm good...

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m12022&l=i&size=1&hd=0

Freakaloin wrote:oh shit...i'm good...

BLAGH

you're sick, man!

Cool Blue wrote:

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:getting the foreign troops out of the country would likely help

Really? You think in the power vacuum the rebels would just lay down arms? Iraq is highly complicated, and dealing with decades and decades of suppressed politics and anger.

Hard as it would be to fathom, I believe Iraq would be in far worse shape if the foreign troops left.

Great post.

As much as these folks are freedom fighters, they're dipshits. As soon as the occupying force leaves, they'll use similar tactics to (re)gain control of the country.

Lose lose situation. If only we had Terminators.

Martin "Communist Sex Offender" King Jr. said in a book something along the lines of "The ultimate weakness of violence is that it only begets more violence. With violence you can murder the hater, but you just increase hate. Hate cannot drive out hate, darkness cannot block out darkness, only light can do that. Only love can drive out hate."

So we need to kill them with love. You know those bible belt idiots who wanted this war so badly? Send them all over there and see just how Christian they are. God tells Christians to love their enemy, so send the kum ba yah bunch over there for a few years along with the folks from TBN. That'll teach 'em.