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...just ask David.

syp0s wrote:

losCHUNK wrote:
Ed also got to where he was without owing anyone any favours.

That's total speculation that you can't possibly prove. It's also likely completely wrong. Attaining leadership of a major political party and not owning favours at the end of it?

Ed doesn't seem a terrifically evil human being, but come on.. He's as dirty as everyone in Westminster, and he played by the same dirty rulebook as the rest of them.

Well he came into power through the backing of trade unions instead of business endorsements or banks and his 1st order of business was to attack the rags. That's something that pretty much every political leader gains support of before election time and puts them in their back pocket, Cameron went as far as apologising to Rebecca Brooks (the phone hacking scandal bitch) for showing a lack of support cos Ed had him on the run in the BSKYB takeover and when the trade unions started barking orders he told them to do one. I'm not saying he's squeaky clean but he wasn't at the mercy of anyone, even when the SNP tried placing him over a barrel with talk of a coalition he rejected it out of principal in maintaining the union, he refused an EU referendum and attracting the UKIPpers support because of his ideological stance and the damage it would do to the country.

As far as politicians go he definately come across as a stand up guy without seeming to intend to as it's not something he boasted about and would have only damaged any support he would've received.

He's already planning to push through the stuff he couldn't with the Lib Dems, like the snoop charter that allows 'spies' to read all our Emails and the abolishment of the Human Rights Act

NHS will be gone in 5 yrs too, flogging it off to private American firms. Can only hope the Welsh NHS isn't affected by this cos of the devolved powers.

*thumps head against wall*

Lot of parties over there eh. Looks like more or the less the same bullshit as what is going on over here though. Democracy el oh el, etc.

losCHUNK wrote:Well he came into power through the backing of trade unions instead of business endorsements or banks and his 1st order of business was to attack the rags.

so he tarred himself with the unelectable socialist brush, then attacked the idea of a free press and business interests all at once

can't think why he wasn't elected...

losCHUNK wrote:even when the SNP tried placing him over a barrel with talk of a coalition he rejected it out of principal in maintaining the union

uh, no. he rejected it because to do otherwise would have been stabbing scottish labour candidates/MPs in the back

losCHUNK wrote:he refused an EU referendum and attracting the UKIPpers support because of his ideological stance and the damage it would do to the country.

or rather, because he didn't trust the people to make the 'right' decision so fuck democracy

seremtan wrote:

losCHUNK wrote:Well he came into power through the backing of trade unions instead of business endorsements or banks and his 1st order of business was to attack the rags.

so he tarred himself with the unelectable socialist brush, then attacked the idea of a free press and business interests all at once

can't think why he wasn't elected...

losCHUNK wrote:even when the SNP tried placing him over a barrel with talk of a coalition he rejected it out of principal in maintaining the union

uh, no. he rejected it because to do otherwise would have been stabbing scottish labour candidates/MPs in the back

losCHUNK wrote:he refused an EU referendum and attracting the UKIPpers support because of his ideological stance and the damage it would do to the country.

or rather, because he didn't trust the people to make the 'right' decision so fuck democracy

Well he went after Murdoch and deservedly so, cos David was up his arse and giving him what he wanted, he also wanted to place himself in a good position to recover the 35bn in tax avoidance from bankers and corps, cos David etc and as I said distanced himself from the trade unions when they made demands but they still offered their support.

It would've been easy for scot labour to do a referendum but he stuck to his 'better together guns', instead of huffing smoke. Either way he showed loyalty to his party and the country instead of going for the iron throne and avoided being in a position where he's in Salmonds pocket and

We all know the what the vote for the EU is gonna be but he knows the damage the gimmick will do in the meantime

Youre right that those things probaly cost him the election and is also why next time we will prolly have another Blairite as leader of Labour :/

Democracy

I have many things to add but I'm on my phone and am rebuilding my PC later so I can't post until that's done

syp0s wrote:It's definitely weird, I got laughed at on a job recently after admitting that I've only just understood how it works in the last few months. Even when you understand it, it still doesn't make any sense.

Heh this is half the reason I don't tend to get involved, I just don't understand it well enough but from what I do understand the election system just seems ridiculous. It's a shame we voted against proportionate representation, at least that would start making things a bit fairer. Though it's still unfair that if you win 30% of the votes you might not end up with 30% of the seats, the system just seems inherently broken but as long as your party is the one getting in then no wonder it doesn't get changed.

Not that it would make much different here- 52% went to conservatives, the next best was 23% to labour.

PhoeniX wrote:
Not that it would make much different here- 52% went to conservatives, the next best was 23% to labour.

36% vs 30% ?

My constituency not the overall result.

I clearly live around far too many toffs.

Ahh I see I do, thought you meant 'here' as in UK

Londons brewing again

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It's pathetic, really. Nobody was complaining when Labour won 3 on the bounce using the same system.

It was a vote using the same method that has been used for god knows how long. The Tories won. Deal with it. All of this is getting really fucking boring now. So many articles spouting childish shit; "Nobody actually likes the tories, it's just they were best of a bad bunch" That was from an actual Guardian journalist.

If you get rich, the Tories will look out for you and make sure the world is regulated to function in a way that benefits your income level.

To get there all you have to do is make a concerted effort, just like every other rich person does.

Too many people in Britain think they should get maximum reward for minimum effort.

And the photos above are the epitome of a tyranny in action. Protesting because a vote didn't go the way they wanted. Fuck me lefties are scum.

I don't agree with the violence but what they're saying is true, i dont think protesting is tyranny i think its democracy in action, how do you think our progressive politics came about ?. it was mostly peaceful n all according to reports, just bell ends etc.

And it's not about max reward for minimum effort, its attacking the vulnerable and from a welsh point of view we definately have little to no say in how our country is run. It's predominately leftie, its why the scots rebelled again.

And yes getting rich is all about effort, derp.

syp0s wrote:Too many people in Britain think they should get maximum reward for minimum effort.

We have a winner. The UK we live in is full of people who have the biggest sense of self entitlement I have ever witnessed. The reward for laziness under Labour was staggering.

I know someone who has popped out kids all their lives (Never said who the Dad's are and they are never around), never had a job, not contributed anything to society and has a lovely sized house in an area where you wouldn't think "Urgh, fuck living here". The other day said person was bitching because their Sky wasn't working properly. What the fuck is that about?

Tory rhetoric

It's like saying that 1 immigrant is the cause of our problems and should fuck them all

Eh?

All these people having a go and protesting need to remember Blair got into government with 35% of the total vote

syp0s wrote:To get there all you have to do is make a concerted effort, just like every other rich person does.

too right. the reason so many people are poor is because they didn't try hard enough to enter the world via the Duchess of Westminster's vagina

fucking lazy scum

Don Carlos wrote:Eh?

All these people having a go and protesting need to remember Blair got into government with 35% of the total vote

Well maybe the right wing should mobilise ?, or do what they normally do and throw money at the problem til it goes away but the thing is Blair appealed to both right and left

Reform has been on the cards for a long time n all, the welsh assembly was brought into power during the Blair era

seremtan wrote:

syp0s wrote:To get there all you have to do is make a concerted effort, just like every other rich person does.

too right. the reason so many people are poor is because they didn't try hard enough to enter the world via the Duchess of Westminster's vagina

fucking lazy scum

Africa could be the ext America if it just pulled its socks up

seremtan wrote:
too right. the reason so many people are poor is because they didn't try hard enough to enter the world via the Duchess of Westminster's vagina

fucking lazy scum

Point taken - there are plenty who don't deserve it

losCHUNK wrote:

Don Carlos wrote:Eh?

All these people having a go and protesting need to remember Blair got into government with 35% of the total vote

Well maybe the right wing should mobilise ?, or do what they normally do and throw money at the problem til it goes away but the thing is Blair appealed to both right and left

Reform has been on the cards for a long time n all, the welsh assembly was brought into power during the Blair era

I've always voted Labour in every election I have been allowed to vote in. But this time I felt differently, I felt Ed was not the right man for the job. Cameron and his cronies have done a good job in steering the ship after Labour sailed us into a storm. Pleases remember the way Labour was going to deal with the crisis was to spend their way out. We are in more debt now than we have been for a long time, but we could have been in worse shape.

You and I have both grown up on council estates in Newport, and I bought my first house in Duffryn, yet I still felt that a Labour government would have been a disaster for the country as a whole. The wrong Milliband was in charge of Labour.