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Instead of putting the studs on top of the insulation… Why not seal the wall, put up a moisture barrier like tar paper, wood stud on top of that and then fill between the wood studs with the insulation? That'll save you approx 3" in such a small room.

Looks to me like you're wasting space with the placement of the TV and couch. It seems that if you rotated the couch 90 degrees counter clockwise you could move the TV to the bottom wall. Then you could put in a small cabinet under the TV to hold any audio/video equipment. It'd also let you easily set up surround sound, because you'd have a "front and back" wall to mount speakers.

Just some thoughts.

GL. You’re an inspiring DIY guy. I think I may add on to and remodel my bathroom this year.

BTW, what proggy are you using to do the room layout?

using foam on the concrete floor is actually not that widely known or implemented, but I've seen it on TV used by a very bright contractor who claimed it cuts the cost of heating dramatically. Nice option, if you ask me. Rook, we insulated our garage last year and it has made about a 5-10.00/month difference in our heating costs, plus the rooms adjacent/above the garage have been quite a bit warmer. I don't know about the spray stuff, so I can't remark on that part.
In Colorado, basement is considered finished space with two exceptions:
space was finished without permit and / or
space does not have a fire escape route (large window or actual door) per open space, excluding bathroom.
edit: and as for investment purposes, in this area when we were looking at homes, finished vs. unfinished basement homes sold at nearly the same price, though the finished basement home might have sold more quickly.
That being said, I am looking to finish mine this spring, as well.

YourGrandpa wrote:Instead of putting the studs on top of the drywall… Why not seal the wall, put up a moisture barrier like tar paper, wood stud on top of that and then fill between the wood studs with the insulation? That'll save you approx 3" in such a small room.

Looks to me like you're wasting space with the placement of the TV and couch. It seems that if you rotated the couch 90 degrees counter clockwise you could move the TV to the bottom wall. Then you could put in a small cabinet under the TV to hold any audio/video equipment. It'd also let you easily set up surround sound, because you'd have a "front and back" wall to mount speakers.

Just some thoughts.

GL. You’re an inspiring DIY guy. I think I may add on to and remodel my bathroom this year.

BTW, what proggy are you using to do the room layout?

The program is SmartDraw.

My original plan was to have the couch rotated 90 and back to back with my desk then put the TV at the end (right deep wall) but the couch is too big and the TV was too far to enjoy from my desk (where I spend 90% of my free time at home workin.

I like your idea as well byt the bottom wall has a window and to the right of the window is a 2 food wide Gas meter and below the window is the water meter. The TV will be recessed into the wall now and all AV equipment will be in a rack in the top left closet controlled via RF remote.

I am suffering with a lack of true surround sound though, but my wife would like more space for the baby to play in.

you can't beat ms visio for room planning

ms visio is fantastic

Giraffe }{unter wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote: I am suffering with a lack of true surround sound though, but my wife would like more space for the baby to play in.

http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/l ... -overview/

Just sayin

Giraffe }{unter wrote:The program is SmartDraw.

My original plan was to have the couch rotated 90 and back to back with my desk then put the TV at the end (right deep wall) but the couch is too big and the TV was too far to enjoy from my desk (where I spend 90% of my free time at home workin.

I like your idea as well byt the bottom wall has a window and to the right of the window is a 2 food wide Gas meter and below the window is the water meter. The TV will be recessed into the wall now and all AV equipment will be in a rack in the top left closet controlled via RF remote.

I am suffering with a lack of true surround sound though, but my wife would like more space for the baby to play in.

I kind of screwed up what I was saying up above. It was supposed to say, "Instead of putting the studs on top of the insulation…"

You've probably thought of all this already, but I'll ask anyway. What is that big black square? Is it an AC? Is there any way you can move the Water Heater and the big square into the top left corner? You could then build a closet around them up there, get rid of the other two closets and push the desk towards the left wall. That would give you a hell of a lot more space. If you need the extra storage hang some top cabinets along the left wall above the desk.

Uhhh... furnace?

Giraffe }{unter wrote: With spray-foam and extruded foam the R-value is lower, but it does serve as better protection than a higher R-value fiberglass. When I was investigating spray foam it wasn't super expensive to do it yourself, but you MUST put some type of fire rated material like 5/8" sheet rock to cover it up. most foam materials are semi fire retardent but once they get going the toxic fumes will knock you out. So you would still need to stud the walls which would allow you to properly insulate anyway.

I'm saving about 1/2 the cost (about $700.00 more for 880 sq feet @1" with spray foam) using 1 1/2" rigid foam. Granted the spray foam will give me a perfect seal in 1/2 the time, but it won't be an even surface for me to stud against.


I'm getting quotes for my insulation today, I'm estimating foam and batting will run me about $3K. I may have to split this project up ...

My garage is around 20' x 20' and it's already dried in. Wood studs, etc., but there is no insulation between the sheetrock and the exterior, just empty space between the wood studs. I don't have any living space above the garage, but I use it as my work area, and it is just completely impossible to keep climate-controlled. All I really want is for it to be insulated well enough that I can work in it in the winter and summer comfortably (without paying a small fortune to do it).

I know that closed cell spray foam has about twice the R rating that open celled foam does (around 6 per inch I believe), but "spray in foam" seems to be a pretty ambiguous term depending on who you are talking to. From what I've read, closed cell foam isn't something that you would want to DIY, but I've talked to several people who told me I could have my garage "sprayed in" for 300 bucks (if I do the drywall work myself).

From what I've read, I feel like I probably need at least 3 inches of closed cell foam, but I honestly don't know if that will require tearing all the sheet rock out of my garage, or just poking holes in between the studs and spraying it down.

There are just a lot of insulation options, and I don't know enough about them to make an informed decision.

Underpants? wrote:we insulated our garage last year and it has made about a 5-10.00/month difference in our heating costs, plus the rooms adjacent/above the garage have been quite a bit warmer. I don't know about the spray stuff, so I can't remark on that part.

So you used the normal fiberglass stuff then? Did you notice any difference in the garage itself?

R00k wrote:

Giraffe }{unter wrote:

From what I've read, I feel like I probably need at least 3 inches of closed cell foam, but I honestly don't know if that will require tearing all the sheet rock out of my garage, or just poking holes in between the studs and spraying it down.

There are just a lot of insulation options, and I don't know enough about them to make an informed decision.

You may want to check out Retrofoam if you don't want to re-sheetrock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ9AnnwP ... re=related

obsidian wrote:Uhhh... furnace?

Uhhh, I live in south Florida. We have central heat and air, so furnace wasn't the first thing that came to mind.

isnt a furnace a critical component to central heat?

Nice, found a video on how I plan to do my first layer of insulation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jSuWbdJy5A

R00k wrote:

Underpants? wrote:we insulated our garage last year and it has made about a 5-10.00/month difference in our heating costs, plus the rooms adjacent/above the garage have been quite a bit warmer. I don't know about the spray stuff, so I can't remark on that part.

So you used the normal fiberglass stuff then? Did you notice any difference in the garage itself?

Yeah man, the cheap R-13 stuff, and it's been warm enough, we've been working on my son's car during the coldest temps of this winter break.

Awesome, that's what I want. I'm about to do some woodworking in mine, but it's been way too cold to do anything lately.

I need to buy a stronger heater, but that's not enough by itself and I don't want to have to run it non-stop.


Your son's old enough to have a car? I don't believe it.

Giraffe }{unter wrote: You may want to check out Retrofoam if you don't want to re-sheetrock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ9AnnwP ... re=related

That looks perfect, if a bit expensive. Thanks.

that fiberglass pink seem to work pretty well

i am fortunate enough to have an attached oversize triple garage insulated and drywalled , the walls are 2x6 and they used pink

the point is it gets very very cold here and it stays pretty warm in the garage just on its own, for ex if its -30, the garage is about -15, theres no form of heat in there but if i needed it i would just get one of those heat blowers from costco

ooh, lots of effort in that post.

quite the contrast with included sig

Yeah, plained slipped out of character on that one...

He's was either high or not high when he made that post. Because something was definitely different.

plained wrote:that fiberglass pink seem to work pretty well

i am fortunate enough to have an attached oversize triple garage insulated and drywalled , the walls are 2x6 and they used pink

the point is it gets very very cold here and it stays pretty warm in the garage just on its own, for ex if its -30, the garage is about -15, theres no form of heat in there but if i needed it i would just get one of those heat blowers from costco

Quoted...

what, you mean plained isn't actually retarded? gosh wow

R00k wrote:Awesome, that's what I want. I'm about to do some woodworking in mine, but it's been way too cold to do anything lately.

I need to buy a stronger heater, but that's not enough by itself and I don't want to have to run it non-stop.


Your son's old enough to have a car? I don't believe it.

brotherman, I'm old as fuck and getting older