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				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:08 am
				by Massive Quasars
				iambowelfish wrote:Sounds like you guys are racist against Guidos.
Even if these Guidonian individuals made up the rape threat thing (and as far as I can see it doesn't say that they did in the article), this White fellow's first course of action should have been as the prosecution describes - lock doors, 911. Seems like a tragic accident with blame on both sides to me.
You're far too reasonable and considerate in these types of threads. When DruM creates inflammatory muslim-bashing topics, he expects us to return in kind. The same goes when I mock Christian fundamentalists, stereotyping vast swaths of America along the way.
In short, allow your knee to jerk.
Thanks.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:10 am
				by ajerara
				yeah, they don't really expect any help from the cops, they take care of things on their own.
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:47 am
				by feedback
				There was another article I didn't bother posting where it was revealed the guidos made up the rape thing.
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:34 am
				by MKJ
				pwnt
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:27 am
				by Nightshade
				Anyone that thinks that guy was in the wrong for defending his home and family with a weapon against multiple aggressive attackers is a fucking pussy. Yeah, just stay in your homes and call 911 while the shitheads attacking you and your family hopefully just go away. Gee, better hope they don't decide to burn your house down while you're waiting.
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:41 am
				by 4days
				aye. the same story over here might be about a knife or a golf club but i don't see it being any different. you have to nip things like that in the bud. if you call the police, it's only going to be a long, dangerous wait and a massive amount of pointless fucking about - then it's likely nothing will be done anyway and the situation will carry on.
that and the part about the lad grabbing the gun being pointed at him - that's just natural selection and justice working as a team.
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:53 pm
				by Ryoki
				That man was obviously totally justified in what he did and anything other than a complete acquittal would be a goddamn travesty of justice.
Also, i understand where NS is coming from with the statement about 911 and i mostly agree - but surely it wouldn't hurt to both confront the problem and call the police. You don't have to hide inside your house like some kind of frightened rodent if you call the cops... Shit, in hindsight he should probably have called just so he could say he did.
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:35 pm
				by 4days
				the problem with that is that the police will tell you go inside and stay there - so whoever's attacking you is free to do what they want for however long it takes the police to arrive, and anything you do in response will be against the advice of the police and potentially get you into legal trouble later on.
i'm not saying that they shouldn't be called at all, just that it's worth doing any reasonable risk minimisation first.
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:45 pm
				by Ryoki
				Hmm, perhaps. I sorta doubt the kind of legal trouble you could get into by ignoring police advice on a matter like that, in a country where you are justified to shoot if someone trespasses, but i see your point.
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:02 pm
				by andyman
				iambowelfish wrote:Sounds like you guys are racist against Guidos.
Even if these Guidonian individuals made up the rape threat thing (and as far as I can see it doesn't say that they did in the article), this White fellow's first course of action should have been as the prosecution describes - lock doors, 911. Seems like a tragic accident with blame on both sides to me.
So the police in a predominantly white neighborhood are going to help a black family? no. You can try and tell yourself that the other way is true, but it's not what happens.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:51 pm
				by iambowelfish
				Massive Quasars wrote:iambowelfish wrote:Sounds like you guys are racist against Guidos.
Even if these Guidonian individuals made up the rape threat thing (and as far as I can see it doesn't say that they did in the article), this White fellow's first course of action should have been as the prosecution describes - lock doors, 911. Seems like a tragic accident with blame on both sides to me.
You're far too reasonable and considerate in these types of threads. When DruM creates inflammatory muslim-bashing topics, he expects us to return in kind. The same goes when I mock Christian fundamentalists, stereotyping vast swaths of America along the way.
In short, allow your knee to jerk.
Thanks.
 
Heh. I'm just too tensed up. Not sure which direction to jerk it in this case anyway.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:00 pm
				by iambowelfish
				Ryoki wrote:[...]it wouldn't hurt to both confront the problem and call the police. You don't have to hide inside your house like some kind of frightened rodent if you call the cops
QFT. It doesn't have to be either/or, NS. Though hiding in your house wouldn't be such a bad idea. If they break in, and they might not, you're not in much more danger than if you confronted them outside, and I'd have thought you'd be in a much stronger position legally.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:06 pm
				by iambowelfish
				andyman wrote:iambowelfish wrote:Sounds like you guys are racist against Guidos.
Even if these Guidonian individuals made up the rape threat thing (and as far as I can see it doesn't say that they did in the article), this White fellow's first course of action should have been as the prosecution describes - lock doors, 911. Seems like a tragic accident with blame on both sides to me.
So the police in a predominantly white neighborhood are going to help a black family? no. You can try and tell yourself that the other way is true, but it's not what happens.
 
It's one thing to say there's bias in the police force. It's something else entirely to say you'd rather take on a whole murderous gang beseiging your home than seek their help.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:07 pm
				by feedback
				MEANWHILE AT THE FUNERAL HOME

 
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:09 pm
				by iambowelfish
				For what it's worth, I think he claims he asked his wife to call the police while he confronted the gang. She says she didn't hear him.
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:50 am
				by Nightshade
				iambowelfish wrote:Ryoki wrote:[...]it wouldn't hurt to both confront the problem and call the police. You don't have to hide inside your house like some kind of frightened rodent if you call the cops
QFT. It doesn't have to be either/or, NS. Though hiding in your house wouldn't be such a bad idea. If they break in, and they might not, you're not in much more danger than if you confronted them outside, and I'd have thought you'd be in a much stronger position legally.
 
Wow, you sound like a complete and total pussy. Seriously, are you some sort of walking vagina? Look, of course you call the cops when shit like this goes down, but there is no reason on earth why you should have to cower in you home while a squad of douchebags screams racial epithets at you in your own front yard. You walk outside and tell them to shut the fuck up and piss off or you'll end them. 
Honestly, your sort of blatant pussified faggery turns my stomach.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:56 am
				by seremtan
				god is sorting them out as we speak
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:37 am
				by Massive Quasars
				I am starting to like this bowelfish character.
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:15 am
				by Cooldown
				
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:27 pm
				by R00k
				LOL
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:48 pm
				by andyman
				
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:02 pm
				by feedback
				
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:09 pm
				by seremtan
				
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:08 pm
				by Ryoki
				
			 
			
					
				Re: Man shoots racist guido in face
				Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:52 pm
				by Fender
				Fastest trial ever?  John White found guilty of 2nd degree manslaughter.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/12/22/dr ... index.html