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ToxicBug wrote:I have a low-carb diet since I want to lose weight, but gain muscle instead.

That's not going to happen. Post-workout you need to replace liver glycogen that was lost during your workout. Simple sugars are much more important after a workout than protein. Muscle breakdown occurs in the absense of glycogen, so drinking a protein shake just stops muscle breakdown, it won't promote repair unless it's a secondary energy source in the presense of sugar. Lose the milk, and mix your protein shake with an energy drink instead.

Energy drink? Like what, coke? That would be nasty

So I should eat some honey after a workout?

Mix Propel fitness water and whey protein?

sys0p wrote:

ToxicBug wrote:I have a low-carb diet since I want to lose weight, but gain muscle instead.

That's not going to happen. Post-workout you need to replace liver glycogen that was lost during your workout. Simple sugars are much more important after a workout than protein. Muscle breakdown occurs in the absense of glycogen, so drinking a protein shake just stops muscle breakdown, it won't promote repair unless it's a secondary energy source in the presense of sugar. Lose the milk, and mix your protein shake with an energy drink instead.

Yes. Mix your whey protein with some carb powder and water. You can find carb powders that are 'stacked' - they include monosaccharides and dissaccharides that are readily absorbed to help replenish liver glycogen levels (you have about a 30 minute window of opportunity after a workout to replenish these glycogen levels).
So, energy drink - NOT coke. Water, carb powder, protein powder, a banana, and some crushed ice. THere you go.

But I work out at night, wouldn't consuming carbs make me fat?

The body only stores energy as fat if liver and muscle glycogen stores are full. the bodys main source of energy is glucose, which is converted from glycogen. When you workout, your glycogen levels drop, and if they drop too much, the body will turn to protein for energy(protein is stored in/as muscle) So after a workout you need to replace glycogen stores as quickly as possible and the best way to do it is with simple sugars. The average person needs about 60-100g of sugar after a workout to replace glycogen stores, and the best way to get the sugar is through an energy drink because they get digested almost immediately. You add protein powder on top of the drink, because the insulin spike created by the sugar will rush the protein to the muscle, and muscle repair will begin right away.

You won't get fat from eating carbs after a workout, because the body needs them.

Besides, to put on any decent muscle, you need to gain some bodyfat, and you need to be eating at least 300g of complex carbs per day, and it doesn't sound like you are.

sys0p wrote:The body only stores energy as fat if liver and muscle glycogen stores are full. the bodys main source of energy is glucose, which is converted from glycogen. When you workout, your glycogen levels drop, and if they drop too much, the body will turn to protein for energy(protein is stored in/as muscle) So after a workout you need to replace glycogen stores as quickly as possible and the best way to do it is with simple sugars. The average person needs about 60-100g of sugar after a workout to replace glycogen stores, and the best way to get the sugar is through an energy drink because they get digested almost immediately. You add protein powder on top of the drink, because the insulin spike created by the sugar will rush the protein to the muscle, and muscle repair will begin right away.

You won't get fat from eating carbs after a workout, because the body needs them.

Besides, to put on any decent muscle, you need to gain some bodyfat, and you need to be eating at least 300g of complex carbs per day, and it doesn't sound like you are.

fuckin a! nice advice :icon14:

sys0p wrote:.

Besides, to put on any decent muscle, you need to gain some bodyfat, and you need to be eating at least 300g of complex carbs per day, and it doesn't sound like you are.

Heh...I remember trying to get you to accept this fact a couple years ago.

Everything you said was spot on.

So I'm supposed to consume 300g of complex carbs every day, even when I don't work out? Keep in mind that I work out 2-3 times a week and play tennis 2 times a week, would it be safe for me to eat like that considering the current amount of exercise I do?

Btw, what's a good carb shake? How much should I consumer per one portion after a workout?

Something like this would be a decent post workout thing - it has carbs, whey protein, etc.
http://www.gnc.com/productDetails.aspx? ... 54&lang=en

Or, similarly, this:
http://www.gnc.com/productDetails.aspx? ... 99&lang=en

sys tiold me a while back to put it in my protien shake after my workout with all my creatine and l gludimine so that the ensiline rushes the good shit into my muscells.

Yes, insulin will help bring the 'good shit' into the cells.

:icon25: sorry, i talk funny.

tnf wrote:I'd throw some carbs into that post-workout shake..simple sugars...you can find carb powders at the health food stores also...

And, as for when you should drink it, it really depends on your overall diet, training regime, and goals.

I'd drink it every night, though, because if you are attempting to put on muscle mass, you don't want your body to be starved for protein at night while you sleep.

I have a question here, i'm in my mass building phase right now, so i'm loading on protein, calories and carbs. However, i'm not sure how high i can go for protein consumtion, because right now my protein intake a day is aproximately 400g. Are there an ill sideaffects to this much protien intake?

Edit: my current weight is 189lbs,

I'd say yes.
Increased risk of kidney stones being one.
Your body will go into metabolic acidosis as a result of the protein metabolism...this can have a variety of deleterious effects. But remember, none of them are gauranteed to happen. It depends on how long you maintain that intake.


I honestly don't believe you need more than 1 gram per pound of bodyweight...maybe 1.5 grams per pound if you are really trying to go nuts.
400 grams is just too much - a waste of money if you ask me.

That's what i thought as well, however, on the side of my tub it says to take 3 scoops per shake 3 times a day, each scoop containing about 53g of protein. I was taking 3 scoops for a couple weeks, now i've decided to drop to 2. I've only been on this level of intake for the past month.

Another question, with this high of an intake is my body even obsorbing all of this protein? Or am i pissing all of it away?

You won't be absorbing even half of that. The digestive system can only process 30-40 grams at a time; anything else is converted to glucose or sent out as waste.

Scarface wrote:That's what i thought as well, however, on the side of my tub it says to take 3 scoops per shake 3 times a day, each scoop containing about 53g of protein. I was taking 3 scoops for a couple weeks, now i've decided to drop to 2. I've only been on this level of intake for the past month.

Another question, with this high of an intake is my body even obsorbing all of this protein? Or am i pissing all of it away?

Are you sure it wasn't each SERVING containing 53 g of protein, with a serving being 3 scoops. THere aren't ANY reputable protein shakes that would advise taking in 150+ grams per serving 3 times a day.

At the moment I don't have a carb drink, although I plan on buying one. Can I just eat some ice cream or honey after my workout instead for now?

Also, what if GNC - Power Load is not available at the store, can I get some other carbs supplement?

Yea, there are plenty of other carb supplements. Get ones that have mixtures of carbs if possible - making sure they have some simple sugars.
If no powders are available, fruits, fruit juice, etc., with a high glycemic index are better than nothing. I'd avoid ice cream after a workout...you don't want stuff that is 'heavy' to digest...you don't want blood to head to the stomach to aid digestion.

Aight, I've bought a carb supplement, its got complex carbs AFAIK, mono, di, tri, tetra, penta, etc stuff in it. Also, the guy at the store told me that its best to eat a complete (carbs+protein) meal one hour after training to replace insulin levels, is that a good idea, is it important? Because I work out in the evening and my parents are asleep one hour after I work out, so I can't exactly go to the fridge to get food.

You don't replace insulin levels. If you are working out at night, then, within a half hour after your workout, get the carbs in. If you aren't going to be eating again that night, throw your protein in there too in one big shake. If you are going to eat again, have a nice protein shake before bed, without a lot of carbs in it (assuming you've already had the carbs immediately following the workout.)

And move out of your parents so you can eat whenever you want.

tnf wrote:

Scarface wrote:That's what i thought as well, however, on the side of my tub it says to take 3 scoops per shake 3 times a day, each scoop containing about 53g of protein. I was taking 3 scoops for a couple weeks, now i've decided to drop to 2. I've only been on this level of intake for the past month.

Another question, with this high of an intake is my body even obsorbing all of this protein? Or am i pissing all of it away?

Are you sure it wasn't each SERVING containing 53 g of protein, with a serving being 3 scoops. THere aren't ANY reputable protein shakes that would advise taking in 150+ grams per serving 3 times a day.

Yeah, i totally read the tube incorrect, each serving 160g ( 3 scoops ) contains:

600 Calories ( with 350 ml of water, 1100 with milk )
51g protien
89g carbs
4.5g fat

I feel so fucking dumb

I bet at least 50g of those carbs in that shake come from Maltodextrin. Check the ingedients, and if so, stop drinking it. It's garbage and it'll make you fat