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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:04 am
by The HavoX
rep wrote:This will be my only post in this thread.
In 2001 in Rocket Arena 3 there was an influx of people who downloaded bots (OGC). Lots of clans were caught by the means of admission or the bots fucking up (shooting through walls, etc.) During the time after they perfected hiding what they were doing (Not shooting people right when they come around the corner, and spamming blatantly off shots to drop their stats down) it became harder to tell if someone was cheating or not.
I knew several newbs who (now) admit they used bots (they suddenly went from newby 40% rail accuracy to the average ra3 accuracy of 60% overnight.) because they felt it was unfair that so many fags had an advantage because they were botting.
Being the best RA3 player at the time, and no doubtedly the best Q3 player of all time (My duel with Zero4 in 2000 was a classic. I don't think anyone has ever gotten 4 kills on him under my circumstances. I was getting 15fps, and I was a regular Q2 player. I just got Q3 a few days before and whooped John for the first five minutes on his best map, q3tourney4.) I was shocked to later find out in 2003 and 2004 that a lot of the nice guys who weren't regulars in clans or anything were the ones cheating, and the newbs who cried and acted like pricks weren't. Also, there were several clans that were found out to have a completely cheating roster.
This baseball shit reminds me of that. I'm glad ra3 died last year. It was such a mobius... Some dude named UnnamedPlayer with a shitty 52% rail calling me an alias and signing off after I beat him 11-0 was the daily routine back then. :lol:
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:20 am
by Guest
rep... have you EVER played anyone from q3w in a game of q3?
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:37 am
by [xeno]Julios
my god - i'm so tempted to load up quake3 just so i can kick rep's arse. Haven't played it for months, but it would be great fun to hunt some fresh meat...
btw rep:
your claim that you pitched 80-90 mph balls when you were 12 yrs old is complete bogus.
I would doubt that any 12 year old who has ever lived, except for perhaps this kid:
http://www.craigproductions.com/RichardS.htm
could pitch a ball over 75mph.
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:51 am
by +JuggerNaut+
rep
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:57 am
by eepberries
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:rep
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:05 am
by [xeno]Julios
actually - i just remembered - i challenged rep repeatedly about a year or two ago, but he kept ignoring me completely...
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:58 pm
by Ryoki
Of course. That little rat wouldn't dare answer a challenge if his life depended on it. His fantasyworld would shatter into a thousand pieces and his will to live would likely be lost.
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:01 pm
by Ryoki
Back on topic: i think this whole debate is a clever ploy to divert the attention of the American public from matters that need investigation much more than something as unimportant and silly as dope & drugs.
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:36 pm
by Massive Quasars
Normally I don't interject on matters relating to the boring sport of baseball but I feel I should in this case.
This whole issue reaks of anti-enhancement regulation. I've known steriods aren't, under proper medical supervision, remarkably dangerous substances. This is heresy to anti-drug doctrine, but I'm not here to prop up the exaggerations and assumptions of others.
In the future, physical enhancements will likely be safer, and even more effective (as if you didn't know that already). What options do professional sports regulators have facing such an inevitable future? They could ban everything, or allow enhancements that meet certain safety standards. What difference does it make if someone is born and "because of their genetic endowments, they are stronger, faster, or more agile than most people." While others seek the artificial route to better performance, some knowing they couldn't possibly train enough (unenhanced) in their lifetime to compete against those endowed more favourably from birth.
Btw, the Reason articles linked to by Fender are excellent. Excuse any overlap or repetition with previous posts, I haven't read every word in this thread.
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:13 pm
by R00k
I have to agree that it's none of the federal government's business.
If they can make it illegal, they can start fining and collecting money from players themselves. How fucked up would that be?
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:46 pm
by shaft
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:53 pm
by R00k
That article is completely disgusting. Finally we get to see what these hearings were all about, according to reporter Mike Celizic: an open invitation to completely trash the good names of good ball players, while being too much of a coward to address any real issues. GG there jackass.
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:03 pm
by R00k
He came in as the larger-than-life slugger who hit home runs that traveled higher and farther and more frequently than the Washington-New York shuttle. He left as a puny and whiny figure, a man whose only defense or explanation for some of the most celebrated moments in baseball was that he didn’t want to talk about it.
He could not have done more damage to himself had he admitted he took steroids because there was no rule saying he couldn’t. And because they made him stronger and helped him wreck a sacred record for home runs in a season.
That, at least, would have been honest, and even in this day and age, honesty is an admired trait. We’ll forgive pretty much anyone, as long as they’re honest about what they did and sincere about making things better.
But McGwire didn’t make the admission. Instead, he turned into the Mark McGwire talking doll. Push the button and the microchip spits out, “I don’t want to talk about the past.” Push it again and it says, “I’m a former ballplayer.”
He said he wants to help convince kids not to take steroids. But he did nothing to establish any credibility on the subject. They’re bad, he said, but he refused to say why, because, as he made abundantly clear, he doesn’t want to talk about the past. (That, by the way, is going to make for a very awkward acceptance speech at his Hall of Fame induction.)
REALLY. Funny how this situation reminds me EXACTLY of our fearless Preisdent on the recently released tapes of him talking about doing drugs in his own past, and stating explicity that he would never talk about it publicly, or own up to it.
McGwire talked about how he wants to help kids, but it’s hard to talk to kids about being honest and honorable and courageous when you display none of those qualities yourself. Kids are pretty trusting of adults, up to a certain age, at which point they become very skeptical of their elders.
The skepticism grows from seeing adults act hypocritically, from hearing them say one thing and watching them do another. If a kid thinks you’re a phony, you’re finished.
And McGwire came off as a phony. For him, it wasn’t about saying anything that could incriminate himself. It was about talking about things that could damage his reputation.
We’ve all got things in our past we’d rather not have to revisit. Usually, we don’t have to. But sometimes they come back to bite us in the buns. At that point, there’s nothing to do but make a clean breast of it, absorb the fallout, and move on.
We don’t even know for sure what McGwire took, and still it’s impossible to forgive him for it. He can not move forward unless he at least acknowledges the past. The longer he hides behind “I don’t want to talk about the past,” the longer he will remain trapped in that same past.
Obviously our professional athletes need to be held to a higher standard than any single one of our lawmakers.
Or at least the editor who allowed this article to be published thinks so.