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lol why get so worked up about some silly powerpoints?

because he prepared the material and now some freeloading cocksucker is going to use/claim it as his own?

stocktroll wrote:lol why get so worked up about some silly powerpoints?

Yea, we'll leave the conversation to those of us who understand the discussion regarding file ownership.

why would you claim ownership over documents you were paid to create? Im assuming you were employed and paid and that your employment included an expectation that you would develop lecture materials. If you did teh work under those terms, it does not matter where or on what machine you made them, fact is you were being paid to provide a service, the copy right and ip both belong to the employer, unless you have a written signed agreement excepting you from what is standard practice...


edit, im a slow reader, this has been said already

i was under the impression that these were "above and beyond the call"

y'know, the opposite of "bare minimum"

from the "i'm entitled cunts way of thinking"

you dig?

S@M wrote:why would you claim ownership over documents you were paid to create? Im assuming you were employed and paid and that your employment included an expectation that you would develop lecture materials. If you did teh work under those terms, it does not matter where or on what machine you made them, fact is you were being paid to provide a service, the copy right and ip both belong to the employer, unless you have a written signed agreement excepting you from what is standard practice...


edit, im a slow reader, this has been said already

Actually, the copyright should still go to tnf. Ownership typically just applies to profit, as far as I am aware. Although the school can use the files as it pleases, tnf can still demand credit for it.
At least that how I understand it to work...

plained wrote:i was under the impression that these were "above and beyond the call"

y'know, the opposite of "bare minimum"

from the "i'm entitled cunts way of thinking"

you dig?

I dig, yeah, but ur wrong

wrong about what?

digmaster lol

plained wrote:i was under the impression that these were "above and beyond the call"

y'know, the opposite of "bare minimum"

from the "i'm entitled cunts way of thinking"

you dig?

These were above and beyond the call. You aren't 'paid to create' documents. We are given a curriculum and resource materials to use...they suck ass, so I create all of my own. I'm writing my own chemistry book as well...I wasn't paid to creat that.


It's really a matter of me spending hours of my own time, on my own computer, outside of the work day, putting together materials to supplement the dogshit stuff the district gives us to use. Of course, everyone modifies the district materials to suit their needs, but there are always some who just wait around for someone else to create everything and then try and take it.

I'm hypersensitive about this because when I taught at a university I did an online course that I created almost from the ground up. When I was leaving, the fat slag that was going to take over walked up and said "the office said you've got a bunch of stuff to give me?" I gave him the exact shit they gave me - a rough outline of the topics to be covered.

I don't mind sharing work with people who are willing to help themselves and are competent, hard working types. But I detest people who take advantage of that situation by freeloading work. It's even worse when they take it and try and pass it off as their own, which the one fuckwad at my place has.

tnf wrote:

stocktroll wrote:lol why get so worked up about some silly powerpoints?

Yea, we'll leave the conversation to those of us who understand the discussion regarding file ownership.

lol i think i know a thing or two about data ownership and copyrights considering i got a 6 figure settlement on a copyright violation of some code i did

but come on Mr Hotshot first grade teacher, nobody doesnt care about your dumb slideshows

yea so i gatherd.

that whole treating you shabblely by demanding in an instance like this.

typical ey

tsk tsk.

maybe youre too much for the masses man

private edu bound hehe

TNF- dave's right. anything you do on company time, even if its on your own laptop, is theirs. its been decided by common law cases for a few decades now

stocktroll wrote:

tnf wrote:

stocktroll wrote:lol why get so worked up about some silly powerpoints?

Yea, we'll leave the conversation to those of us who understand the discussion regarding file ownership.

lol i think i know a thing or two about data ownership and copyrights considering i got a 6 figure settlement on a copyright violation of some code i did

but come on Mr Hotshot first grade teacher, nobody doesnt care about your dumb slideshows

of course you did.

-Replicant- wrote:TNF- dave's right. anything you do on company time, even if its on your own laptop, is theirs. its been decided by common law cases for a few decades now

they weren't put together on company time. they are done at home on my own computer.

plained wrote:yea so i gatherd.

that whole treating you shabblely by demanding in an instance like this.

typical ey

tsk tsk.

maybe youre too much for the masses man

private edu bound hehe

I don't quite understand what you are getting at here.


But here's the whole point - its an issue of not wanting to accomodate some freeloading bastard who wants to manipulate a system in order to avoid doing any real work himself. If that makes me 'too much for the masses' so be it. I think it really just makes me a normal guy who doesn't like it when lazy colleagues take advantage of situations.

And that 'first grade teacher' comment was a real zinger.

Good shit man, really, good shit.

tnf wrote:

plained wrote:yea so i gatherd.

that whole treating you shabblely by demanding in an instance like this.

typical ey

tsk tsk.

maybe youre too much for the masses man

private edu bound hehe

I don't quite understand what you are getting at here.


But here's the whole point - its an issue of not wanting to accomodate some freeloading bastard who wants to manipulate a system in order to avoid doing any real work himself. If that makes me 'too much for the masses' so be it. I think it really just makes me a normal guy who doesn't like it when lazy colleagues take advantage of situations.

i hear you man.

i was meanin maybe something more than what your doing curently might be better suited to someone who preforms more such as yourself.

MKJ wrote: im so glad this guy got the shaft or i woudlve slit his throat one day :icon33:

tnf wrote:

-Replicant- wrote:TNF- dave's right. anything you do on company time, even if its on your own laptop, is theirs. its been decided by common law cases for a few decades now

they weren't put together on company time. they are done at home on my own computer.

oooh, then they're yours

tnf wrote:

-Replicant- wrote:TNF- dave's right. anything you do on company time, even if its on your own laptop, is theirs. its been decided by common law cases for a few decades now

they weren't put together on company time. they are done at home on my own computer.

afaik this does not change anything. Your paid, if your not doing extra work, or using own time then I'd say there WAS a problem,

but I do understand and accept ur right to bitch about it