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Yep, What the Bleep do We Know just appalled me. I only have high school level physics but even I knew it was bullshit.

It's funded by the cult of Ramtha, a wealthy organisation run by that plastic looking woman.

Most of the academics are bogus.

Despite doing its best to appear undogmatic, it presented *no* conflicting arguments whatsoever.

I think Wabbit dealth with the "observer" thing quite well, which is really deceptive in trying to promote the importance of consciousness.

What disturbs me is the right wing ideology behind it. The movie basically says, you create the world, if you have any problems with it, it's your own fault. You don't need medicine, you need to become enlightened.

It's part of a recent tendency towards anti-rationalism in western culture, that encompasses everything from allegedly left wing academics like Jacques Derrida to Bush's faith-based government.

Transient wrote:

Wabbit wrote:To use a well known example: It's as if the only way to determine the position of a bowling ball is by bouncing another bowling ball off it. Just the act of attempting to measure it, changes it's path.

Now see, THAT makes sense!

But that doesn't explain it. It's just a way to make it comprehensible. The Quantum Measurement Theory (observer affects the outcome of a measurement) and the double/single slit experiment with electrons were not new to me but this cartoon gives a nice explanation of it.

I was a bit disappointed by What The Bleep. The first half of it was reasonably interesting, but the 2nd half was some BS about hormones and pheromones iirc.

iambowelfish wrote:I think Wabbit dealth with the "observer" thing quite well, which is really deceptive in trying to promote the importance of consciousness.

What disturbs me is the right wing ideology behind it. The movie basically says, you create the world, if you have any problems with it, it's your own fault. You don't need medicine, you need to become enlightened.

Enlightened could be defined as grasping/mastering the reality of the mechanics that determine how the observer influences the object of observation.

That wasn't no real scientist. That was Freud. Just look at the glasses. That psycho Ramtha Jew is playing with our heads.

iambowelfish wrote:Jacques Derrida to Bush

you just managed to connect two people at totally different ends of the political and philosophical spectra... both of whom i personally hate... a lot, and for that you are my new hero :-*