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DiscoDave wrote:right so american culture just...sprung out of a well?

they just appeared from nowhere and happened to speak our language?

Did British culture spring out of a well?

We could trace 'culture' back to the cradle of civilization.

DiscoDave wrote:right so american culture just...sprung out of a well?

they just appeared from nowhere and happened to speak our language?

No, it came form many different places. Could have just as easily been speaking French, Spanish, etc..

actually i'm inclined to side with dave here. this has fuckall to do with bush, america, mom, doris day or apple pie. when you consider that brits favourite TV show is a house filled with CCTV monitoring a bunch of z-list celebs talking shit, it's not surprising not many people give a rat's testicles about the culture of surveillance

tnf wrote:

DiscoDave wrote:right so american culture just...sprung out of a well?

they just appeared from nowhere and happened to speak our language?

Did British culture spring out of a well?

We could trace 'culture' back to the cradle of civilization.

I think it came from the Lady of the Lake. Her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was tocarry Excalibur. That is why I am your king!

seremtan wrote:actually i'm inclined to side with dave here. this has fuckall to do with bush, america, mom, doris day or apple pie. when you consider that brits favourite TV show is a house filled with CCTV monitoring a bunch of z-list celebs talking shit, it's not surprising not many people give a rat's testicles about the culture of surveillance

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aye. i dont agree with the "american superioritY" that a lot (note: a lot, not all) americans tend to have (mostly the uneducated, indotrinated patriotic bunch), but i also hate it when euro's go about saying how "we created america" and how "our culture is so much more vast than yours". by saying that you're doing the same thing youre blaming the yanks for - feeling superior.
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MKJ wrote:aye. i dont agree with the "american superioritY" that a lot (note: a lot, not all) americans tend to have (mostly the uneducated, indotrinated patriotic bunch), but i also hate it when euro's go about saying how "we created america" and how "our culture is so much more vast than yours". by saying that you're doing the same thing youre blaming the yanks for - feeling superior.
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I agree with this 100%.

Lets be fair... there are morans on both side of the Atlantic. Americans cling to military-economic authority, while Europe clings to "ancient" heritage and culture. As DiscoDave here has shown, people are willing to buy their invented heritage without question and fight for it without giving much thought about what it really stands for or what its true origins are.

When people talk about the United States being a young country, it might be. But when you stop to think that the British founded Jamestown in 1607, a good 40 years before the English Civil War, the European presence on the North American continent coincides with a lot of the changing political and cultural forces reshaping Europe at the time. If you start 'modernity' from that period, European Britons and their descendants in North America referenced the same revolutionary point of origin--limiting monarchy, rights of man, all that crap. To say that the "British" are a timeless people is rediculous because a lot of the political realities of both states are modern developments... all that other culture and heritage that took place before that time is just shared memory--no one, British or American has claim over it, nor does it really matter.

I have as much connection to my mother's Scottish culture and ancestory as discodave has to his Roman/Celtic/whatever heritage, but neither one matters in the present day. That kind of ancestral connection does make an excellent political and nationalist tool, though.

That pretty much sums it up.

Dave wrote:...morans...

muhaha

MKJ wrote:aye. i dont agree with the "american superioritY" that a lot (note: a lot, not all) americans tend to have (mostly the uneducated, indotrinated patriotic bunch), but i also hate it when euro's go about saying how "we created america" and how "our culture is so much more vast than yours". by saying that you're doing the same thing youre blaming the yanks for - feeling superior.
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I see your point but i didnt intend to come across as saying brits are superior.