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yeah thats what i trying to do nitwit...

someone on digg posted how to change your hotmail to LIVE.

Freakaloin wrote:is there a way to not get an email in ur inbox everytime u transfer files to ur gdrive?...

Can't you just create a filter when the subject contains 'GMAIL DRIVE' or whatever it uses.

i guess...i saw that but i ain't got time for email filters today...

booker wrote:someone on digg posted how to change your hotmail to LIVE.

sign up for the beta program and you might/will be given the proper signup info. I don't use hotmail, but have my main email addresses hooked upto the passport service but they wouldn't let me use that; you need a hotmail account.

the link to sign up is: http://www1.imagine-msn.com/minisites/m ... cale=en-gb

Freakaloin wrote:is there a way to not get an email in ur inbox everytime u transfer files to ur gdrive?...

thats why you set up a seperate account

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:

prince1000 wrote:

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:and don't forget it's the only major web based mail (afaik) that uses SSL. sorry hotmail and yahoo

that doesn't mean a thing

http://www.google-watch.org/gmail.html

um, yes it does. it means you won't be sniffing my username and password which is the same as your IM client.

Yahoo has an explicit SSL login option, and I think Hotmail encrypts at least the password during login.

zewulf wrote:

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:

prince1000 wrote: that doesn't mean a thing

http://www.google-watch.org/gmail.html

um, yes it does. it means you won't be sniffing my username and password which is the same as your IM client.

Yahoo has an explicit SSL login option, and I think Hotmail encrypts at least the password during login.

might be an option for yahoo (didn't know this) but no one uses it. passwords are not encrypted with hotmail though since they're easily sniffable.

Gmail has lots of impressive features, but I still think it blows. I only use it because my Yahoo account is getting spam-tastic. Otherwise I'd stick to that.
To each his own, I suppose.

just out of curiousity, what don't you like about it?

Heh...I probably shouldn't have said "it blows." I don't dislike it that much.

Originally, I didn't like it because of the lack of folders. By the time I discovered you can label messages, I already had hundreds of emails to organize.

Now my big problem with it is that it runs javascript. I like to be able to open more than one message at a time. If you turn javascript off, then you have to let the page reload if you want to do something like attach a file or change the subject line.

I wish there was a way to preferencially use the HTML version of Gmail without having to turn off your javascript function.

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:and don't forget it's the only major web based mail (afaik) that uses SSL. sorry hotmail and yahoo

Take a look during login with Hotmail...its SSL. The entire session isn't but authentication is.

FragaGeddon wrote:

Foo wrote:pop access, inline spell-checker, tagging, massive storage, easy filtering, simple interface.

Hotmail is a piece of shit compared to gmail. Google are getting so big 'cause MS has been caught napping.

From what I've heard, MS wants to try and ditch their hotmail service.

They're bringing out an entire new edition of it as part of Windows Live which will more closely resemble Exchange's OWA.

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:might be an option for yahoo (didn't know this) but no one uses it.

I do :icon32: I think Yahoo's standard mode probably works similary to Hotmail's. They probably provide the secure mode just for the paranoids out there

+JuggerNaut+ wrote: passwords are not encrypted with hotmail though since they're easily sniffable.

I know for sure Hotmail encrypts something (using SSL) after you click the Sign In button

Tormentius wrote:

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:and don't forget it's the only major web based mail (afaik) that uses SSL. sorry hotmail and yahoo

Take a look during login with Hotmail...its SSL. The entire session isn't but authentication is.

interesting that those packets are easily sniffable. obviously i'm only referring to a wireless session.

Are you a packet sniffer Juggs? :icon6: Being sniffable and being decipherable are two different things though, and wireless shouldn't make it any different. You can always sniff a packet, but if it's encrypted, it's pretty much useless. I know one major bank whose online banking login on their frontpage is similar to Hotmail's. The reason you don't see the familiar SSL indicators is because they don't make their entire frontpage secure.

zewulf wrote:Are you a packet sniffer Juggs? :icon6: Being sniffable and being decipherable are two different things though, and wireless shouldn't make it any different. You can always sniff a packet, but if it's encrypted, it's pretty much useless. I know one major bank whose online banking login on their frontpage is similar to Hotmail's. The reason you don't see the familiar SSL indicators is because they don't make their entire frontpage secure.

If you sniff the packet going out then you sniff the packet going back, I think you can get the password, besides, why sniff packets with hotmail when it's so easily exploitable anyways? (remember how easy it was to get into another person's account back in the 90s?)

prince1000 wrote:

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:and don't forget it's the only major web based mail (afaik) that uses SSL. sorry hotmail and yahoo

that doesn't mean a thing

http://www.google-watch.org/gmail.html

ffs

werldhed wrote:I wish there was a way to preferencially use the HTML version of Gmail without having to turn off your javascript function.

NoScript?

primaltheory wrote:
If you sniff the packet going out then you sniff the packet going back, I think you can get the password, besides, why sniff packets with hotmail when it's so easily exploitable anyways? (remember how easy it was to get into another person's account back in the 90s?)

You can't get the password by packet monitoring (either wired or wireless). The intial login to Passport is encrypted via SSL and once the user is authenticated a one-way hash is generated. That hash is used for the remainder of the session rather than sending the password again. There is no way to get a cleartext password by sniffing a Passport login.

MS is pushing Passport as a single-signon service to businesses and the implementation costs are large. That being the case, do you honestly think they are going to have an open authentication scheme on a business-grade product, let alone an email service with 40 million subscribers?

I'm also willing to bet that you can't currently point to a single unpatched vulnerability in Hotmail which can be exploited to gain access to an account.

primaltheory wrote:(remember how easy it was to get into another person's account back in the 90s?)

No. I remember all the fake programs that advertised to do it that gave you a trojan.