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Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:37 am**

actually they are first aiming it as a backup medium for large data warehouses. and ya the media industry will be right behind them I'm sure. can you imagine a 1.6 TB disk like they are saying is not too far away? Put one in your cam corder and go to town at HD res! not sure how many hours of video that would store, but I bet you could put a few vacations on 1 disk no problem! Not to mention 400 of today's DVDs!

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:31 am**

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:no, they'll catch on. no sense in having a HD ready set and not take full advantage. also, there will be players that support both formats.

Most people don't have HD and aren't going to any time soon. Nerds may not mind dropping huge cash on their equipment but the majority people don't care (even moreso since the prices on those sets are still quite high).

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:37 am**

InPhase says the technique could theoretically be used to store up to 1.6 terabytes of data on the same size of disc and to read data at 120 megabits per second. This is 340 times the capacity of an ordinary DVD and 20 times the data rate.

DVDs read at 10.8 megabits per second at 1x speed. We now have DVD players that can read at 16x, so that's theoretically 172.8 megabits per second, which is .69 times slower, not 20 times.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:38 am**

Tormentius wrote:
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:no, they'll catch on. no sense in having a HD ready set and not take full advantage. also, there will be players that support both formats.
Most people don't have HD and aren't going to any time soon. Nerds may not mind dropping huge cash on their equipment but the majority people don't care (even moreso since the prices on those sets are still quite high).

most don't have HD? the amount of HD sets being sold EASILY outsell 4:3 sets in the U.S.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:42 am**

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:

most don't have HD? the amount of HD sets being sold EASILY outsell 4:3 sets in the U.S.

People don't upgrade their TV's every year. It's going to take years before people bother and most won't if the industry can't get its shit together and decide on a common standard.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:43 am**

upgrade their tv's every year? what? HD ready sets have been around for years.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:46 am**

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:upgrade their tv's every year? what? HD ready sets have been around for years.

I'm quite aware of that and they still aren't incredibly common. You're an audio/video guy, but the average person doesn't care that much and doesn't want to drop thousands to upgrade. DVDs have finally become mainstream but I don't think consumers are going to back new standards this quickly. There just isn't enough of an advantage for most.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:49 am**

no, i'm not talking from my perspective. pick up your latest Circuit City/Best Buy/Futureshop ad and tell me what majority of the tv's they're pushing? 16:9 and HD Ready/HD, that's what. like i said, it might not be that big in your neck of the woods, but in the states, it's huge.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:53 am**

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:no, i'm not talking from my perspective. pick up your latest Circuit City/Best Buy/Futureshop ad and tell me what majority of the tv's they're pushing? 16:9 and HD Ready/HD, that's what. like i said, it might not be that big in your neck of the woods, but in the states, it's huge.

I know that but people aren't exactly falling over themselves in order to drop huge cash on expensive TVs. When the prices of LCD and plasma sets come down a lot more then they'll become more common.

Anyways, this thread isn't about HD-TVs its about the next generation of DVD tech.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:59 am**

the topic mentions HD-DVD and Blue-Ray - neither of which you get the result they're intended for without a proper set. so, it actually is also about HD sets.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:03 am**

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:the topic mentions HD-DVD and Blue-Ray - neither of which you get the result they're intended for without a proper set. so, it actually is also about HD sets.

You seem to be unable to step back from your hobby for long enough to view this as a normal consumer does. Most people just don't care that much about having the ultimate quality in picture or sound.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:08 am**

what? most people that buy HD sets in the US also get HD content to view, whether it be over the air or through their cable provider. knowing what kind of picture HiDef gives them, i see no problems, other than having two formats, of consumers picking up on the next generation of dvd's fairly quickly. mind you, i don't think it will explode like dvd's did at first, but it certainly won't flop like you predict.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:14 am**

MKJ wrote:up to 1.2 TB even

all this does is break up the market even more thats not helping the consumer at all :icon14:

I dont agree. You could argue this about the other 2 formats which are comparable, but if this one is head-and-shoulders superior (which is looks to be) then it'd driving the market forwards.

I think your comment only holds true if the new item being introduced doesn't better the field.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:18 am**

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:what? most people that buy HD sets in the US also get HD content to view, whether it be over the air or through their cable provider. knowing what kind of picture HiDef gives them, i see no problems, other than having two formats, of consumers picking up on the next generation of dvd's fairly quickly. mind you, i don't think it will explode like dvd's did at first, but it certainly won't flop like you predict.

I disagree. IMO consumers aren't frothing and waiting to go out and drop a bunch more cash on two formats that the industry wants to push on them. The industry can't even decide on a format and thats going to confuse the average person who wants to go, rent a disc, pop it into their player, and watch without having to worry about which of the 4 formats (DVD, Bluray, HD-DVD, or this new one) that their player supports. Remember that the average consumer is as dumb as a bag of hammers.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:20 am**

i realize that, but there already are at least two manufacturers (names escape me at this particular junction in time) that said they will be supporting BOTH formats on their player(s)

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:30 am**

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:the topic mentions HD-DVD and Blue-Ray - neither of which you get the result they're intended for without a proper set. so, it actually is also about HD sets.

No, see the rays aren't blue, they're blu.

That's why it's better.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:35 am**

that was most certainly a typo, my short-winded friend.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:46 am**

uncompressed video on a consumer medium is retarded btw

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:09 am**

SplishSplash wrote:uncompressed video on a consumer medium is retarded btw

Whether it's retarted or not, if you convince people to want it, they'll buy it.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:44 am**

SplishSplash wrote:uncompressed video on a consumer medium is retarded btw

I totally agree with you. It's totally retarted. Now could you explain exactly why it's retarded?

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:28 am**

Chupacabra wrote:
MKJ wrote:
Chupacabra wrote: im glad they're coming up with this thing. why? because i don't particularly like or care for hd-dvd or blu-ray.

they are coming out too soon and arent that much of a jump from the regular dvds IMO. i'd rather wait until there is something thats very different and will actually move the market (like VHS to DVD). screw the laserdisc or Digital-VHS stuff. i dont want to be pressured by companies and whoever else to get the new laserdisc.

the more split up the market becomes (with hd-dvd/blu-ray/whatever this thing is if it ever comes out), the more it will crumble all three formats. sooner or later (hopefully later), a really nice, very different format will come out that really is much better than all others.
this thing will be out somewhere next year though. or so they say
er...hm...im not sure i understand your point? or maybe youre just making an observation?

your saying you dont care for bluray/hddvd and rather wait for something better to come along - i kinda thought you meant these discs as "something better'

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:30 am**

Foo wrote:
MKJ wrote:up to 1.2 TB even

all this does is break up the market even more thats not helping the consumer at all :icon14:
I dont agree. You could argue this about the other 2 formats which are comparable, but if this one is head-and-shoulders superior (which is looks to be) then it'd driving the market forwards.

I think your comment only holds true if the new item being introduced doesn't better the field.

this discussion kindof proves my point. there will be companies that favor bluray, others hddvd and yet others this new format. some think this new format is overkill and will stick to older formats while others will think this is the greatest thing ever - exactly like in this thread

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:34 am**

MY guess is if they can't decide on a new standard, then the new players coming out will more then likely play all 3 new formats.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:41 am**

I plan to just wait till late 2006/2007 when these HDV's are out in mass and just skip the blu-ray/HD-DVD thing alltogether. DVD's will tide me over for another year. It appears that Maxell and Hitachi have plans to do a sneak attack on those other companies rofl. Well I kinda hope that the squabbling that they have done that has delayed those technologies by a year already allows this new HVDs to hit the market around the same time. It really is no contest imo which one is better. I would love a 300 GB disk, even if it does cost $100, the price will come down, just like blu-ray will be expensive for a while too.

Posted: **Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:36 am**

once u have seen Blu-Ray on a true HD screen, ur sold, its as simple as that

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