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duffman91 wrote:I love F1, Ayrton Senna for life!



PS: I know he died.

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:hey NS hates Montoya.

Nightshade wrote:Whine Pablo Montoilet.

Nightshade wrote:That's why I like Michael Schumacher. No matter how many races or championships he wins, he always acts like it's his first win. That guy just loves to race.

Wikipedia wrote: Controversy

Since the 1994 death of Ayrton Senna, Schumacher has rarely been far from controversy and has been widely regarded as the fastest driver in F1 and the most dominant driver of his era. However, his career has at times been controversial, with some commentators questioning his poor sportsmanship and driving tactics and the apparent standing team orders which would require his team mates to play a subservient role.

Furthermore, there have also been questions asked about whether or not Schumacher's driving skills constitute that of a World Champion, most explictly expressed by Jackie Stewart to Tiff Needell during an episode of the TV show "Fifth Gear", who said "Michael Schumacher makes more mistakes every Grand Prix weekend than any Grand Prix multiple world champion I've ever known. I mean, the number of times I went off in a Grand Prix in my entire career I could count on one hand, because if you went off the road there was a very good chance you were gonna hit something hard, and you were gonna hurt yourself, nevermind the car."

Technical director of Ferrari Ross Brawn, however, has an explanation for this phenomenon. "The truth is that if, during practice sessions, Michael feels he's losing the car, he prefers to let the car go instead of trying to make huge corrections to stay on the track. It's part of his search for the limit. During a race however, he's the driver who makes the least mistakes."

Driving Tactics

For those who question his driving style the two most often quoted incidents are the previously mentioned 1994 Australian Grand Prix crash with Damon Hill and the 1997 European Grand Prix crash with Jacques Villeneuve. It is widely regarded that he deliberately crashed with Villeneuve during the 1997 European Grand Prix.

In the 1994 Australian Grand Prix Schumacher was leading Damon Hill, but just barely; if Hill had won the race, he would have won that year's World Championship. During the race Schumacher made an error and ran wide, which led to an overtaking maneuver by Hill into the subsequent corner. Schumacher turned into the corner and collided with Hill, in the process crashing into the barriers and breaking Hill's front left suspension. Both cars were removed from the race, which was eventually won by Nigel Mansell, who was too far behind in the points to challenge Schumacher's title lead. In this case it was judged a racing incident and Schumacher took his first title.

During the 1997 European Grand Prix Schumacher was leading the race and was followed by Villeneuve. In a similar situation to 1994 a win for either driver would guarantee him the World Championship. Villeneuve attempted to overtake Schumacher, who then collided with the Canadian in what the FIA finally judged to be dangerous driving. Although Schumacher's car was knocked out of the race, Villeneuve went on to finish third, behind Mika Häkkinen and David Coulthard, who were too far behind in the points to challenge Villeneuve for the Championship. Schumacher was stripped of his second place in the World Championship final standings (with Heinz-Harald Frentzen moving from third to second), while retaining his results and points for the season, in a bizarre and unprecedented decision that was widely criticized as representing no real punishment at all.

Team Orders

During Schumacher's reign of consecutive World Championships many fans were put off by his dominance of F1 and there was particular attention paid to how Schumacher and his Ferrari teammate Rubens Barrichello were swapping finishes to engineer specific changes in the World Championship.

A good example of this was the 2002 Austrian Grand Prix where Ferrari ordered Barrichello, who was leading the race, to move over for Schumacher to take the win. This led to a poor reception on the podium where an embarrassed Schumacher ushered Barrichello onto the top step. The result was a ban on team orders and a $1 million fine for Ferrari. Nevertheless, team orders are at times practiced by many teams and can be executed discreetly, for example, a fuel hose which will not disconnect, an apparent driver error, a radio authorization for a driver to overtake his teammate, clearly heard by the teammate in question, as used by Renault during the 2005 season in Canada (rendered moot by Giancarlo Fisichella's hydraulic pressure problems) and Turkey, etc.

It has also been argued that unlike some of the great drivers of the past, Schumacher has not had much of a challenge from within the team. For much of his career, the teams he raced for (but Ferrari in particular) have been built around him, with his team-mate being forced to play a subservient role.

In more recent years, however, his success with Ferrari, moderation of his on-track tactics, and a more relaxed public persona have rehabilitated Schumacher's image for most fans, although the Hill-Villeneuve accidents have not been forgotten by many Formula one fans, who usually are quick to point out poor sportsmanship.

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:

zewulf wrote:

+JuggerNaut+ wrote: Living in PHX right now, i'd have to agree with you. i wasn't here when it was part of the circuit though

I've driven on the front and the back straights of the old Phoenix street circuit before when I went through Phoenix once. I think they are Jefferson and Washington streets? It felt quite bumpy but gotta love them sparks flying when F1 cars went through there

I need to find the course map online. I'm familiar with downtown and would like to know. Yer, Jefferson and Washington aren't the smoothest

Dr_Watson wrote:

zewulf wrote:

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:3. Return to fully manual stick shift gearbox with a foot-operated clutch. The stick to the gearbox has to be a direct link (I don't like. Both hands on the wheel is the only way to go. It's safer and faster)

Semi-automatics may be safer and faster, but there are a lot of skills involved with shifting gears manually, skills that sadly have been lost with the advent of semi-automatics. Manual shifting also makes it so much more entertaining to watch and the engines sound so much nicer (gotta love those big downshifts ).

I agree with you fully on this account... but i whole heartedly believe that a gated stick shift has no place in F1.
they invented the flappy paddle gear box and should continue using it.
the cars from the 60's may have been more of a "drivers car" but seriously... the modern cars have 900+hp and go from 0-200mph in under 15 seconds. it's crazy to ask someone to do that without a semi-automatic.

Nightshade wrote:I'm of a similar mindset, I think that F1 is the pinnalce of automotive technology development, and the last thing they should do is go backwards. They need to find a way to emphasize the skill of the driver over the capabilities of the car.
I think running over Montoya with a bulldozer would be a good start.

Nightshade wrote:Oh, and to my recollection, the street tracks in Phoenix and Detroit were utter shit. Too damn rough and bumpy, beat the hell out of the cars. I don't have a real problem with Indy, though it's far from my favorite track. I think they should go back to Long Beach if they want a street course and to Road America if they want a real track. Actually, fuck that, Road Atlanta's a lot closer to me. :icon25:

Only weeks before the first female racer in many years will try her hand at the wheel of a Formula One contender, British American Racing driver Jenson Button has given his chauvinist opinion as to why females will never make it in the pinnacle of Motorsports, one reason being that they have breasts!

In an interview with FHM, Button was quite forward when it came to expressing his views, that in reality haven’t stopped the likes of Danica Patrick in the IRL and Katherine Legge, three time winner in the Toyota Atlantic Championship and soon to be testing for the Squadra Toro Rosso team, previously.

“Danica is very quick. But in F1 cars I can’t see it happening due to the G-force in fast corners,” the British driver who has yet to win an F1 race said. “And one week of the month you wouldn’t want to be on the circuit with them, would you? A girl with big boobs would never be comfortable in the car. And the mechanics wouldn’t concentrate. Can you imagine strapping her in?”

Britain's 'Sun' newspaper, though, quoted its female 'motoring correspondent' as slamming the BAR driver's sexism.

"Oh grow up," said Emma Parker. "If he spent less time staring at grid girls' breasts he might win more races."

Timbo wrote:

Nightshade wrote:That's why I like Michael Schumacher. No matter how many races or championships he wins, he always acts like it's his first win. That guy just loves to race.

Wikipedia wrote: Controversy

Since the 1994 death of Ayrton Senna, Schumacher has rarely been far from controversy and has been widely regarded as the fastest driver in F1 and the most dominant driver of his era. However, his career has at times been controversial, with some commentators questioning his poor sportsmanship and driving tactics and the apparent standing team orders which would require his team mates to play a subservient role.

Furthermore, there have also been questions asked about whether or not Schumacher's driving skills constitute that of a World Champion, most explictly expressed by Jackie Stewart to Tiff Needell during an episode of the TV show "Fifth Gear", who said "Michael Schumacher makes more mistakes every Grand Prix weekend than any Grand Prix multiple world champion I've ever known. I mean, the number of times I went off in a Grand Prix in my entire career I could count on one hand, because if you went off the road there was a very good chance you were gonna hit something hard, and you were gonna hurt yourself, nevermind the car."

Technical director of Ferrari Ross Brawn, however, has an explanation for this phenomenon. "The truth is that if, during practice sessions, Michael feels he's losing the car, he prefers to let the car go instead of trying to make huge corrections to stay on the track. It's part of his search for the limit. During a race however, he's the driver who makes the least mistakes."

Driving Tactics

For those who question his driving style the two most often quoted incidents are the previously mentioned 1994 Australian Grand Prix crash with Damon Hill and the 1997 European Grand Prix crash with Jacques Villeneuve. It is widely regarded that he deliberately crashed with Villeneuve during the 1997 European Grand Prix.

In the 1994 Australian Grand Prix Schumacher was leading Damon Hill, but just barely; if Hill had won the race, he would have won that year's World Championship. During the race Schumacher made an error and ran wide, which led to an overtaking maneuver by Hill into the subsequent corner. Schumacher turned into the corner and collided with Hill, in the process crashing into the barriers and breaking Hill's front left suspension. Both cars were removed from the race, which was eventually won by Nigel Mansell, who was too far behind in the points to challenge Schumacher's title lead. In this case it was judged a racing incident and Schumacher took his first title.

During the 1997 European Grand Prix Schumacher was leading the race and was followed by Villeneuve. In a similar situation to 1994 a win for either driver would guarantee him the World Championship. Villeneuve attempted to overtake Schumacher, who then collided with the Canadian in what the FIA finally judged to be dangerous driving. Although Schumacher's car was knocked out of the race, Villeneuve went on to finish third, behind Mika Häkkinen and David Coulthard, who were too far behind in the points to challenge Villeneuve for the Championship. Schumacher was stripped of his second place in the World Championship final standings (with Heinz-Harald Frentzen moving from third to second), while retaining his results and points for the season, in a bizarre and unprecedented decision that was widely criticized as representing no real punishment at all.

Team Orders

During Schumacher's reign of consecutive World Championships many fans were put off by his dominance of F1 and there was particular attention paid to how Schumacher and his Ferrari teammate Rubens Barrichello were swapping finishes to engineer specific changes in the World Championship.

A good example of this was the 2002 Austrian Grand Prix where Ferrari ordered Barrichello, who was leading the race, to move over for Schumacher to take the win. This led to a poor reception on the podium where an embarrassed Schumacher ushered Barrichello onto the top step. The result was a ban on team orders and a $1 million fine for Ferrari. Nevertheless, team orders are at times practiced by many teams and can be executed discreetly, for example, a fuel hose which will not disconnect, an apparent driver error, a radio authorization for a driver to overtake his teammate, clearly heard by the teammate in question, as used by Renault during the 2005 season in Canada (rendered moot by Giancarlo Fisichella's hydraulic pressure problems) and Turkey, etc.

It has also been argued that unlike some of the great drivers of the past, Schumacher has not had much of a challenge from within the team. For much of his career, the teams he raced for (but Ferrari in particular) have been built around him, with his team-mate being forced to play a subservient role.

In more recent years, however, his success with Ferrari, moderation of his on-track tactics, and a more relaxed public persona have rehabilitated Schumacher's image for most fans, although the Hill-Villeneuve accidents have not been forgotten by many Formula one fans, who usually are quick to point out poor sportsmanship.