New Windows Vista shots

Post by **shiznit** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:28 pm

Doesn't look all that impresive atm but then again this is all beta.

Whistler looked very different then xp.

[lvlshot]http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/whistler_beta1_0004.gif[/lvlshot]

Post by **AmIdYfReAk** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:33 pm

saturn wrote:
glossy wrote: As soon as Mac OS is realised on x86, i'm dualbooting it with XP, and hopefully using the Mac OS as much as possible. Fingers crossed, i suppose
OS X for x86 (Intel) will only run on Mac PCs. I think they'll include a chip which will be required to run the OS.

But yeah, I'll be running a dualboot too.

heh,yea, thats been cracked...

i know this simply because i ran OSX on my AMD 64 system

Post by **Canis** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:53 pm

I think Apple is pegging to overtake windows someday by getting OS X running on x86. They'll first get it running on proprietary hardware and then grab the rest of the PC world by licensing the software. That is quite a leap, though, so it will be quite a while before they do that...

Post by **Denz** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:05 pm

Foo wrote:
Denz wrote:
glossy wrote:You would hope that with the money Microsoft could throw behind an OS, they'd be evolving, instead of devolving
They are trying, but I don't think they have the talent.
That's harsh. I'd say bureacracy hinders the talent within MS

You're prolly right about that.

Post by **Scourge** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:06 pm

I think I'm going to stick with XP. Like Foo said, there's really nothing wrong with XP now. It does anything I need it to for now. When it can't then I will consider an upgrade.

Post by **Canis** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:27 pm

You'll be lured by the benefits that vista has to offer. It will open your eyes to new ways of doing things, and you'll find them irresistable.

Post by **o'dium** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:29 pm

Canis wrote:You'll be lured by the benefits that vista has to offer. It will open your eyes to new ways of doing things, and you'll find them irresistable.

Until it stops fucking over OpenGL, Vista can fuck off.

Post by **Grudge** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:30 pm

Opinions about design and graphics are like assholes. Everyone's got one. And they're most of the time just full of shit.

Post by **Scourge** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:34 pm

Canis wrote:You'll be lured by the benefits that vista has to offer. It will open your eyes to new ways of doing things, and you'll find them irresistable.

Guess I better do some reading. So far I haven't heard anything that makes me want to run out and get it.

Post by **Dave** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:37 pm

Denz wrote:They are trying, but I don't think they have the talent.

Foo wrote:That's harsh. I'd say bureacracy hinders the talent within MS

That's not at all true, which is evident if you watch this long, 900 MB PDC video about the development of the windows presentation foundation, sparkle and xaml.

http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=115387

Of course there's bureaucracy in any business, but then none of Microsoft's developers are working from themselves, they're working for Microsoft. Bureaucracy might stifle, but it also keeps people focused.

The rank and file developers in this video show they have quite a bit of talent and don't seem to be hindered.

Post by **Foo** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:42 pm

I think more what I'm getting at is that the direction development at MS is steered in means that a lot of opportunities which would be taken by the developers working more freely are missed.

I'm not talking about an all-out Google approach of spending a 1/3rd of your work hours on your own projects, but that's the kind of thing I'm getting at. MS (from what I've seen of their released products historically) has missed a number of approaches which I think would have benefitted both consumers and the business itself. For a start, there's choosing to halt development on Internet Explorer for like 5 years.

But I do take your point, and there have been numerous articles over the years on how MS's work environments are unrivalled.

Post by **Dave** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:44 pm

Oh and it's not "Tiger", it's Windows. If you're like me and use both, the difference is obvious. Vista isn't a radical rethinking of process and usability. Other than the new presentation layer, most of the changes are behind the scenes, which is why most people think Vista is a minor update and looks like crap.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:56 pm

Dave wrote: Vista isn't a radical rethinking of process and usability. Other than the new presentation layer, most of the changes are behind the scenes, which is why most people think Vista is a minor update and looks like crap.

exactly. no one cares what's going on behind the look. they only care what they're next desktop will look like. idiots.

Post by **[FTF]Pyro** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:02 pm

Right click on toolbar ---->Properties----->Start menu ------>Classic Menu

:icon14:

Post by **Scourge** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:02 pm

I don't really care about the looks. I just wonder what benefits it will have to someone like me that doesn't do any networking stuff, don't use it for work, and basically uses it for gaming, browsing, a little coding and not much else.

Post by **Foo** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:04 pm

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
Dave wrote: Vista isn't a radical rethinking of process and usability. Other than the new presentation layer, most of the changes are behind the scenes, which is why most people think Vista is a minor update and looks like crap.

exactly. no one cares what's going on behind the look. they only care what they're next desktop will look like. idiots.

I'm not making too many predictions about this next version, but so far one thing we do know is that they've fucked up openGL, at least apparently.

Now, that's a BIG problem, especially for a Quake player for obvious reasons... and their reason for doing this? To make the shell prettier.

So yeah, this time around I care about the shell

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:07 pm

Foo wrote:
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
Dave wrote: Vista isn't a radical rethinking of process and usability. Other than the new presentation layer, most of the changes are behind the scenes, which is why most people think Vista is a minor update and looks like crap.

exactly. no one cares what's going on behind the look. they only care what they're next desktop will look like. idiots.
I'm not making too many predictions about this next version, but so far one thing we do know is that they've fucked up openGL, at least apparently.

Now, that's a BIG problem, especially for a Quake player for obvious reasons... and their reason for doing this? To make the shell prettier.

So yeah, this time around I care about the shell

that was more aimed towards the usual llama crowd, not you, but i can sure point it in that direction if you wish.

Post by **[FTF]Pyro** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:08 pm

scourge34 wrote:I don't really care about the looks. I just wonder what benefits it will have to someone like me that doesn't do any networking stuff, don't use it for work, and basically uses it for gaming, browsing, a little coding and not much else.

You wont have a choice at some point but to migrate. Same ol Same ol

Post by **raw** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:14 pm

Dave wrote:Oh and it's not "Tiger", it's Windows. If you're like me and use both, the difference is obvious. Vista isn't a radical rethinking of process and usability. Other than the new presentation layer, most of the changes are behind the scenes, which is why most people think Vista is a minor update and looks like crap.

No WinFS though.

Post by **Scourge** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:38 pm

[FTF]Pyro wrote:
scourge34 wrote:I don't really care about the looks. I just wonder what benefits it will have to someone like me that doesn't do any networking stuff, don't use it for work, and basically uses it for gaming, browsing, a little coding and not much else.
You wont have a choice at some point but to migrate. Same ol Same ol

Yeah, but I'm sure it will be a while before that happens. I'm just not ready to shell out a few hundred dollars if it's not really going to benefit me much. I'm not saying that it won't, but so far I haven't seen anything that says it will. I'll make my final decision when it's closer to being done and more info on what is actually improved is available.

Post by **Tormentius** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:44 pm

Foo wrote:
glossy wrote:As soon as Mac OS is realised on x86, i'm dualbooting it with XP, and hopefully using the Mac OS as much as possible.
The future is looking interesting. I really hope Vista is fucked up badly for a number of reasons:
1. There's nothing inherently wrong with Windows XP right now. It looks OK, runs OK, has great support all round, and no pressing flaws that justify a whole new OS
2. Linux is becoming a contender. This has died down over the last 6-12 months a lot, but is still a factor.
3. Google/Sun are looking into the OS market. Good times

1. Technology moves on and MS moving away from XP is inevitable. People want new features, a new more stability, and more security. All of those (most especially security and enterprise policy features) are things which Vista will bring to the table. You also need to keep in mind this is a beta and a good portion of MS' development work is based on customer feedback so some of the obvious issues like OpenGL will most likely be resolved by release.

2. Linux isn't a contender in the eyes of anyone but nerds. Average people don't have the patience or technical aptitude for recompiling a kernel after an update or for convoluted software installs and patches.

3. That could be interesting but its only rumor at this point.

Post by **raw** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:51 pm

Actuallly, Windows doesn't take advantage of the amount of hardware it runs on now-a-days and performance could be TONS better which Vista is supposed to address for us 'gamers'.

Also, Linux Base Standards (http://www.linuxbase.org) 3.0 just came out and a few major distro groups jumped on board. Basically, this is going to standardize applications to run across multiple distributrions without the developer having to re-write shit for different distros. Once this is in place, I think Linux will make more headway toward the desktop market at least when more applications are LSB 3.0 compliant.

I heard about a Sun/Google OS but I'll believe it when I see it.

Post by **[FTF]Pyro** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:55 pm

scourge34 wrote:]

Yeah, but I'm sure it will be a while before that happens. I'm just not ready to shell out a few hundred dollars if it's not really going to benefit me much. I'm not saying that it won't, but so far I haven't seen anything that says it will. I'll make my final decision when it's closer to being done and more info on what is actually improved is available.

I aint migrating till ALL of the service packs has been released ....

Post by **Canis** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:09 pm

scourge34 wrote:
Canis wrote:You'll be lured by the benefits that vista has to offer. It will open your eyes to new ways of doing things, and you'll find them irresistable.
Guess I better do some reading. So far I haven't heard anything that makes me want to run out and get it.

I'm not saying it will, but the possibility is out there. The genie told me so.

Post by **Canis** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:12 pm

raw wrote:Actuallly, Windows doesn't take advantage of the amount of hardware it runs on now-a-days and performance could be TONS better which Vista is supposed to address for us 'gamers'.

Also, Linux Base Standards (http://www.linuxbase.org) 3.0 just came out and a few major distro groups jumped on board. Basically, this is going to standardize applications to run across multiple distributrions without the developer having to re-write shit for different distros. Once this is in place, I think Linux will make more headway toward the desktop market at least when more applications are LSB 3.0 compliant.

I heard about a Sun/Google OS but I'll believe it when I see it.

That's awesome. It will be great to have distros standardized such that they're more compatible. In OS X and Windows, folks can copy small apps and utilities between computers and get them to function. In Linux there are way too many dependencies for things to work properly sometimes.