Quake3World

your only as strong as your weakest link.....

While number 2 is probable depending on how complex the design is, I can only think of one situation that would make the developer unable to see the hard drive.

I haven't thought about this much but the only thing I can think of is that MS setup a menu scripting system which would mean that every game uses the same interface but with different "stylesheets". While this is a good idea, it restricts developers to a finite amount of creativity.

Detection of the HD is trivial. That's obvious.. developers need to know what peripherals the console has to support them.

The problem would be in changing the method of caching between HD and CD. presumably streaming data from CD is a notably different exercise than streaming from HD.

Perhaps not.

Soap is some kind of goth

Yep, some kind of goth.

they really should have included enough RAM or a cache harddrive/flashstorage/whatever for caching, in both systems, and allow the use of harddrive for actual storage of files.

Foo, my point was that if you were to just remove the planes from a game like GTA:SA, it would severely cripple the game (you wouldn't be able to finish most of the missions on the third island. They would still have to cut the main use of the plane out of the game, maybe have it as an optional extra during non-mission stages, which in the end serves the same purpose as disabling all together.

I don't agree with the whole two systems thing, but there's not much i can do to stop it, and i'm not going to buy one (not first-hand, anyway) so it's pointless for me to care at this stage, anyway.

Foo wrote:Still missing the point.

It's stated quite clearly at the top of the thread soap, MS assured people that the lack of HD in the core version would not impact game features, and now it's come to light that it is doing.

Seriously, you're fucking slow or something.

No, YOU are slow. You're missing the actual point

MS assured people that the lack of HD in the core version would not impact game features

They didnt include it in the final version of the game hence there is no impact

and now it's come to light that it is doing.

Not having an hdd has no impact as the game can be played the exact same on either version

Not quite.

For limitation purposes, you would only need to detect whether the game is running from the CD or the HD, then turn on or off the ability to enter planes.

if you do this then the original statement which was made by microsoft

MS assured people that the lack of HD in the core version would not impact game features

would be untrue and then you could berate them


Mircrosft is playing politics

ah thankyou.

i think foo means that the more expensive xbox is the standard where as the other pos is a cuntish imposter for mommys and daddys worldwide

because of the xbox's retarded twin, games have to loose out on extra features... so yea, i agree with foo

losCHUNK wrote:
because of the xbox's retarded twin, games have to loose out on extra features..

Totally, I agree with that statement 100%

but to say

MS assured people that the lack of HD in the core version would not impact game features, and now it's come to light that it is doing.

and then proceed to ridicule other people by saying that they are missing the point when even he is, is just ignorant and self-indulgent and only I am allowed to do that.

now, to me, those 2 statements appear to be the same

because the core version cant handle the feature, they have to take it out.. no matter which version you buy, your missing out on the feature and therefore has impacted on the quality of the games

losCHUNK wrote:now, to me, those 2 statements appear to be the same

because the core version cant handle the feature, they have to take it out.. no matter which version you buy, your missing out on the feature and therefore has impacted on the quality of the games

to you and me its the same butas I said its politics


if they drop certain features of the game so that both sku's will run the exact same game then the original statement made by Microsoft is completely correct. There is no impact on not having an HDD in any game.





Its politics and business strategies

yer yer, i can understad that

thats the way MS look at it yea ?

but the way i see it the more expensive system is the standard and the core system is the sub standard.... everyone expected (well i did) the xbox to have a HD and when the core system doesnt

because MS are money grabbing twats and want as much of the market as possible, the more expensive one looses out

both arguements are correct, its just the way you look at it imo

the fucker is MS calling the core system the 'standard' when it shouldnt even be there... get me ?

losCHUNK wrote:imo

well its a wrong one but youre entitled to it


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shush, i didnt explain it aswell as i would of liked but im in a bit of a rush, ive added a line but doubt it made much diff =P

bitWISE wrote:// Extremely simple code sample...but you get my point
if (DetectHardDrive()) {
enableFlying = true;
}

GG Volition...take the easy way out.

You better call them right away, they probably didn't know this!!!!

But some people might buy the core system so they can stick in a bigger hard drive.

It's fucking retarded is what it is.

They've taken away the one technological advantage for developing on consoles - a standard hardware platform.

If developers are going to have to make games for the 'CORE' version, then answer me this: For a hundred more dollars, what exactly are you getting, besides HD cables?

Sure you've got a hard drive, but what the hell good is that? You can use memory sticks for profiles/saves/extras/whatever - always have been able to.

It's useless. I'm definitely not going to buy one for $100 more just so I can SAY I have a HDD in mine. I'll just buy a set of $20-$30 cables and be done with it.

Well, there will definately be a couple of games that will require the hd so stream stuff, or at least to improve game performance a bit. Then you have the new Live, which will enable you to download new maps, media, and maybe other content, some free some pay. So an hd would be required for that. They will probably put up game demos on there as well.

Yea, that's actually a good point.

Still, I'm not sure that is worth an extra 100 bucks - especially when you can buy a hard drive for less than that, and probably hook it up yourself.

[FTF]Pyro wrote:

losCHUNK wrote:
because of the xbox's retarded twin, games have to loose out on extra features..

Totally, I agree with that statement 100%

but to say

MS assured people that the lack of HD in the core version would not impact game features, and now it's come to light that it is doing.

and then proceed to ridicule other people by saying that they are missing the point when even he is, is just ignorant and self-indulgent and only I am allowed to do that.

Err. The statement that you quoted from me here means exactly what Chunk says in your first quote.

As for ignorant and self-indulgent, check the history of the thread and you'll see soap jumped in with 'babies' or some shit like that.

dzjepp wrote:Well, there will definately be a couple of games that will require the hd so stream stuff, or at least to improve game performance a bit. Then you have the new Live, which will enable you to download new maps, media, and maybe other content, some free some pay. So an hd would be required for that. They will probably put up game demos on there as well.

maybe download full game sin the near future as demos you liek it you buy it els eit self destructs withing 24 hours of it's activation

Tsakali_ wrote:

dzjepp wrote:Well, there will definately be a couple of games that will require the hd so stream stuff, or at least to improve game performance a bit. Then you have the new Live, which will enable you to download new maps, media, and maybe other content, some free some pay. So an hd would be required for that. They will probably put up game demos on there as well.

maybe download full game sin the near future as demos you liek it you buy it els eit self destructs withing 24 hours of it's activation

Three full games, to be precise :icon26:

R00k wrote:Yea, that's actually a good point.

Still, I'm not sure that is worth an extra 100 bucks - especially when you can buy a hard drive for less than that, and probably hook it up yourself.

But then you're not getting the wireless controller.

Wireless Controller, HD, Wireless Headset and something else I forgot about.

R00k wrote:Yea, that's actually a good point.

Still, I'm not sure that is worth an extra 100 bucks - especially when you can buy a hard drive for less than that, and probably hook it up yourself.

with a little luck, MS will use a custom IDE connector so you can only use a "Xbox360 HD" (which will be more expensive, obviously).