Nintendo unveils the Revolution(ary) controller

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:31 am

so if microsoft were to implement tabbed browsing into IE, even though it is already available for many other browsers, they would be innovating the market for releasing the first 'official' browser with tabbed browsing?

just because ninty decided to make wireless controllers on their own - even though kabillion of third party wireless controllers for every console were out there - really doesnt make them innovating. it makes them smart, sure, and props to them for going there, but i wouldnt call it innovation.

Post by **o'dium** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:52 am

Can i just remind people that, ATM, its £40 for a gamecube game, while PS2 and xbox are £30.

Next gen games are coming out at £50, by themselves.

Now does Nintendo REALLY think I'm gonna buy mario Party 34 with a mic/pad/dice/dinner for more than £60? ON A GAME? Fuck that.

Post by **Eraser** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:58 am

MKJ wrote:so if microsoft were to implement tabbed browsing into IE, even though it is already available for many other browsers, they would be innovating the market for releasing the first 'official' browser with tabbed browsing?

just because ninty decided to make wireless controllers on their own - even though kabillion of third party wireless controllers for every console were out there - really doesnt make them innovating. it makes them smart, sure, and props to them for going there, but i wouldnt call it innovation.

Maybe not innovation then, but certainly having an influence on the market. Your MS analogy is not really a good one, as Firefox and Opera have already raised the tabbed browsing feature to being a standard.
If there weren't two big browsers already toting tabbed browsing as big features, having succes with it and influencing other browsers with their succes, then the analogy would be correct. But currently, Firefox and Opera are the ones influencing Microsoft, not the other way around.

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:00 am

Eraser wrote:
MKJ wrote:so if microsoft were to implement tabbed browsing into IE, even though it is already available for many other browsers, they would be innovating the market for releasing the first 'official' browser with tabbed browsing?

just because ninty decided to make wireless controllers on their own - even though kabillion of third party wireless controllers for every console were out there - really doesnt make them innovating. it makes them smart, sure, and props to them for going there, but i wouldnt call it innovation.
But currently, Firefox and Opera are the ones influencing Microsoft, not the other way around.

just like madcatz, pirana and their ilk influenced nintendo by releasing numerous wireless controllers, huh?

exactly my point. a first party company adopts something that third companies have already done; when nintendo does this their leading the market, but when MS does this their lagging behind? that doesnt make sense

Post by **glossy** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:00 am

Eraser wrote:
glossy wrote:
Eraser wrote: I think it's actually pretty nice. It just sucks for fighting games and the little C-stick was bollocks, but it looks like the Rev shell will have a normal stick for the c-stick, which is much better.
ayiayiayi!~ xbox fanboy coming through:

Grab yourself an S Controller, and a GameCube controller. the triggers on the xbox are tight and noticable, whilst the camecube shoulder buttons feel very flimsy and are awkwardly shaped, the analogue stick feels very loose and has that ridiculous shape it forces you into, whilst the S's analogues are tight, responsive, and have almost no deadzone. the gamecube buttons feel flimsy again, and you can't easily tell when they're activated or not, whereas the S controller's buttons have a noticable 'click' when they are active. The gamecube controller is very light, whereas the xbox controller actually helps you hold on to something. don't start me on cord length.

I know this debate has been done before, but the Xbox's S > almost anything else i've used.
I'm not saying you're wrong. But I'm used to the gamecube controller and found it very easy to adapt to. I thought the N64 controller was horrible. I just couldn't get used to it, and I played a lot with it. The same is true for me for the XBox (and S) controller. While I must admit I haven't used it that much, it felt really odd. While I'm sure this is 90% because of simply not being used to using it, it does show that it all comes down to personal preference and what you're used to.

I don't agree with any of the con points you've given for the gamecube controller. I've always thought that, with the exception of the Nintendo DS shoulder buttons, every Nintendo controller felt pretty rugged.

it has a lot to do with what you're used to, and the Xbox is the first console i've ever owned so i'm very used to it, but i've played enough gamecube and n64 in the past, and n64 was nice. gamecube i really couldn't enjoy.

it's all just a matter of preference in the end

Post by **Eraser** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:02 am

o'dium wrote:Can i just remind people that, ATM, its £40 for a gamecube game, while PS2 and xbox are £30.

Next gen games are coming out at £50, by themselves.

Now does Nintendo REALLY think I'm gonna buy mario Party 34 with a mic/pad/dice/dinner for more than £60? ON A GAME? Fuck that.

Dunno, XBox, PS2 and Cube games are pretty much the same price here in the Netherlands.

I realise that what I'm going to say now is going to sound like fanboy-ism, sure, but I believe that 1st party Nintendo games might actually be relatively cheap. Nintendo has been on such an aggressive low price point course lately, saying how cheap the Revolution will be that expensive games wouldn't fit that image. But then again, it might be the old story: without hardware sales no software sales, so sell the hardware for cheap and cash in on the games. Now that I think of it, it's probably the latter.

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:02 am

o'dium wrote:Can i just remind people that, ATM, its £40 for a gamecube game, while PS2 and xbox are £30.

Only if you buy them from that shitfarm you call a job.

Post by **Eraser** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:07 am

MKJ wrote:
Eraser wrote:
MKJ wrote:so if microsoft were to implement tabbed browsing into IE, even though it is already available for many other browsers, they would be innovating the market for releasing the first 'official' browser with tabbed browsing?

just because ninty decided to make wireless controllers on their own - even though kabillion of third party wireless controllers for every console were out there - really doesnt make them innovating. it makes them smart, sure, and props to them for going there, but i wouldnt call it innovation.
But currently, Firefox and Opera are the ones influencing Microsoft, not the other way around.
just like madcatz, pirana and their ilk influenced nintendo by releasing numerous wireless controllers, huh?

exactly my point. a first party company adopts something that third companies have already done; when nintendo does this their leading the market, but when MS does this their lagging behind? that doesnt make sense

The difference I'm trying to emphasize is that all those 3rd party controllers never proved that there was a market for wireless controllers. Firefox and Opera do show that there's a "market" for tabbed browsing (or more feature-rich browsers in general). So with IE, MS is just filling up a gap in the market they haven't filled yet. With the Wavebird, nintendo took the dive and entered the market with a product which wasn't guaranteed to succeed.

I wouldn't be surprised that because of this success of the wavebird, the confidence in such a product has grown in all three companies. I think the chances of us still being stuck to a wire if there never was a wavebird actually are significant.

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:13 am

Eraser wrote:
MKJ wrote:
Eraser wrote: But currently, Firefox and Opera are the ones influencing Microsoft, not the other way around.
just like madcatz, pirana and their ilk influenced nintendo by releasing numerous wireless controllers, huh?

exactly my point. a first party company adopts something that third companies have already done; when nintendo does this their leading the market, but when MS does this their lagging behind? that doesnt make sense
The difference I'm trying to emphasize is that all those 3rd party controllers never proved that there was a market for wireless controllers. Firefox and Opera do show that there's a "market" for tabbed browsing (or more feature-rich browsers in general). So with IE, MS is just filling up a gap in the market they haven't filled yet. With the Wavebird, nintendo took the dive and entered the market with a product which wasn't guaranteed to succeed.

I wouldn't be surprised that because of this success of the wavebird, the confidence in such a product has grown in all three companies. I think the chances of us still being stuck to a wire if there never was a wavebird actually are significant.

im not so sure about that. those companies that made the wireless controllers are still here. they sold. problem was that they werent allowed to use the exact button layout the official controllers had, and therefore werent as good as official controllers.
like i said, nintendo did a good job releasing their wavebird when they did; great timing. a wireless controller, with the exact layout to boot!
if 3rd parties werent prohibited on using the same layout, nintendo would look like a bunch of johnnycomelatelies.

so actually, by being cunts and not allowing other people to use their designs, they opened up a gap to dive in to

i'll say again; smart? yes. first? not even close. innovating? please

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:31 am

MKJ wrote:
just like madcatz, pirana and their ilk influenced nintendo by releasing numerous wireless controllers, huh?

Excuse me? The NES had wireless first party controllers under the acclaim name back in the early 80s.

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:32 am

Mr.Magnetichead wrote:
MKJ wrote:
just like madcatz, pirana and their ilk influenced nintendo by releasing numerous wireless controllers, huh?
Excuse me? The NES had wireless first party controllers.

as did atari with their 2600. we covered that already

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:32 am

Your mother is already covered.

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:34 am

Mr.Magnetichead wrote:Your mother is already covered.

no u

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:35 am

i know you are but what am i?

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:41 am

sticks and stones!

Post by **Eraser** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:44 am

MKJ wrote:i'll say again; smart? yes. first? not even close. innovating? please

Ok fair enough. I see where you're coming from and you have a good number of solid arguments. I greatly respect that, but I'm also a stubborn cunt from time to time. I still believe that if MS and Sony didn't come with wireless controllers while Nintendo would, it would make them look bad. Ofcourse innovation didn't have much to do with that. It's strictly business so to speak, but Nintendo are the ones setting the example here with MS and Sony following suit.

Post by **DooMer** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:48 am

the wavebird was the first awesome wireless controller.

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:52 am

Eraser wrote:
MKJ wrote:i'll say again; smart? yes. first? not even close. innovating? please
Ok fair enough. I see where you're coming from and you have a good number of solid arguments. I greatly respect that, but I'm also a stubborn cunt from time to time. I still believe that if MS and Sony didn't come with wireless controllers while Nintendo would, it would make them look bad. Ofcourse innovation didn't have much to do with that. It's strictly business so to speak, but Nintendo are the ones setting the example here with MS and Sony following suit.

that i do agree with :icon14:

Post by **Duhard** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:52 am

laffs...you nintendo funboys are pathetic...you guys were the shit in 1985, but now you're just a bunch of loosers

Post by **Eraser** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:15 am

Post by **MKJ** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:15 am

what?

Post by **Eraser** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:20 am

seen the promotional video of the controller?

Post by **MKJ** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:29 am

oh. no.
so. ok.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:36 am

riddla wrote:shit, just as I was coming here to post this. Its about time someone out there made a gyro-motion controller.

Actually, Microsoft made the Sidewinder Freestyle about 5 years ago.

Post by **Eraser** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:16 am

For the pussies who were afraid of getting tired using the controller, here's a quote from someone in the know:

I can definitely say that you can point the thing at an angle at the TV, because that's the whole point of the device: you're not moving your whole arm around, you're just making very slight inflections with your wrist.

When you play with a Wavebird, do you stand up and hold it at arm's length towards the screen? No. And you don't have to do this with the Revolution controller. You can sit with your hands in your lap and just move your wrist a little to cover the entire screen.

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