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Killing of Breonna Taylor Police report almost completely blank.

Officer who knelt in support of protestors accused of insubordination a day later.

Those people calling to abolish the police are sounding more and more sensible by the day. :miffed:

defund*

Or maybe just get rid of them and put a new system in place.

From what I've read, defunding is a little more complicated than it would first appear, and may actually be a good thing.
On the surface, it sounds like you just want to take money away from cops.

The reality is seemingly somewhat different.

The main gist being that police funding has increased as policing's definition has changed in order to accomodate fields that police traditionally haven't been reponsible for.

The end result has seen a decrease in funding for those specialised fields that the police are now dealing with, yet without the proper training or expertise.

By defunding the police and taking away those responsibilities, the money can then be re-invested in individual government bodies whose sole purview is one of those responsibilities.

In turn, cops go back to just being cops, and not confused people with guns trying to be jacks-of-all-trades.

Forgive me if I've mangled it somewhat, but does that sound about right?

Yes, that sounds about right

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Fuck me

Yeah, Matt, and abolishing the police goes a step further. The institution began as slave catchers back in the 1700s. The cornerstone of their foundation was built on racism, and it's survived all this time.

Since racism was the way police came about 300+ years ago, are you saying all of today's LOEs are racist? It's almost like you're suggesting that becoming a LEO turns you into a Racist. After all it was the "cornerstone of their foundation", "and it's survived all this time".

You need to turn off the TV for awhile.

The institution is racist, not necessarily the individuals. It attracts racists to enlist and conditions members to be racist, however. It's not always overt, there's a lot of subconscious racism.

Gwamps thinks cops are reading this thread right now and will remember the name Brian Elam white-knighting for them next time they see him riding 5 miles below the limit. Not because he's a law-abiding citizen and champion bootlicker, but because his two-wheeled elephant simply can't go any faster.

Transient wrote:The institution is racist, not necessarily the individuals. It attracts racists to enlist and conditions members to be racist, however. It's not always overt, there's a lot of subconscious racism.

Are the black and Hispanic officers being converted into self hating racists or are they being specially trained to hate other races besides their own to create very specific racially charged squads that can be released to brutally assault various groups of people depending on their race?

Good cops are constantly being pressured to keep quiet about the infractions of bad cops. If they won't keep quiet, they'll just get the good cops to quit or get fired.

Just kneeling in solidarity with protestors brings consequences:
Posted this one earlier today, officer slapped with insubordination.
And look, another article in the same day, kneeling officers kicked out of police union.

All the police brutality problems, all the cops shooting and attacking unarmed protestors and news crews, all the black people getting stopped on a daily basis by police for mundane things... these aren't a result of a "few bad apples", this is a very systemic problem that exists throughout America.

YourGrandpa wrote:

Transient wrote:The institution is racist, not necessarily the individuals. It attracts racists to enlist and conditions members to be racist, however. It's not always overt, there's a lot of subconscious racism.

Are the black and Hispanic officers being converted into self hating racists or are they being specially trained to hate other races besides their own to create very specific racially charged squads that can be released to brutally assault various groups of people depending on their race?

Black and Hispanic officers are entirely susceptible to racism, you don't have to be white to be racist. Your reductive logic and binary world view is exactly the kind of brainless reasoning that's kept institutional racism from being addressed in any meaningful way. But I'm sure you thought Obama was actually pretty articulate, didn't you?

obsidian wrote:Good cops are constantly being pressured to keep quiet about the infractions of bad cops. If they won't keep quiet, they'll just get the good cops to quit or get fired.

Another telling example of a few years back

Former Officer Cariol Horne lost her job and was charged with obstruction after she intervened while a fellow officer punched and choked an arrested man

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvaq ... -a-suspect

Transient wrote: Black and Hispanic officers are entirely susceptible to racism, you don't have to be white to be racist. Your reductive logic and binary world view is exactly the kind of brainless reasoning that's kept institutional racism from being addressed in any meaningful way. But I'm sure you thought Obama was actually pretty articulate, didn't you?

Of course, anyone can be racist. But if all officers are racist because they work for a 300+ year old racist institution, who exactly are the black and Hispanic officers being racist toward? Are black officers being selectively racist towards whites and Hispanics, and Hispanic offices selectively racist towards blacks and whites, all the while working side by side with their racist counterparts? Sounds like a very contentious work environment or a completely ridiculous notion. I'm sure you being an idiot will preclude you from logical deduction.

YourGrandpa wrote:

Transient wrote: Black and Hispanic officers are entirely susceptible to racism, you don't have to be white to be racist. Your reductive logic and binary world view is exactly the kind of brainless reasoning that's kept institutional racism from being addressed in any meaningful way. But I'm sure you thought Obama was actually pretty articulate, didn't you?

Of course, anyone can be racist. But if all officers are racist because they work for a 300+ year old racist institution, who exactly are the black and Hispanic officers being racist toward? Are black officers being selectively racist towards whites and Hispanics, and Hispanic offices selectively racist towards blacks and whites, all the while working side by side with their racist counterparts? Sounds like very like a very contentious work environment or a completely ridiculous notion. I'm sure you being an idiot will preclude you from logical deduction.

My words are going to be in vain because you've already made up your mind, but you're approaching this too much from a, excuse the terminology, black-and-white angle. A white cop isn't going to be racist in the "all non-whites are scum, no exceptions" way. They're racist in the way that their black or hispanic colleague is a good guy ("hey, I've known this guy for 8 years, he's a great fella") but at the same time, when approaching a vehicle with a black driver, he'll have his hand on his gun "just in case" while he wouldn't be doing that if the driver is white. He's going to be racist in the way that he's going to "stop this driver because he looks suspicious" when the driver is black, but the word "suspicious" wouldn't cross his mind when the driver is white.

The problem with racism these days is that it's very often not immediately obvious. Sure, there are still people spray-painting white power or KKK symbols on walls. There are still people who will call a black man a "nigger" instead of a "person". There are still people who burn crosses. These are obvious examples that are condemned by most sane people (which, unfortunately, does not include your president, but that's another story). The problem is that there's a lot.... a lot of subtle non-obvious racism going on, especially in places like the police force.

Maybe this video can help you out, as it shows a few not so obvious examples in an obvious way:
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Or maybe you can view the video I posted above, showing the man being stopped by a cop because he did 65 on a 70 road. Think that's the first time this happened to him? No, he says it himself in the video. It happens to him every god damn time he drivers there. Not racism you think? Come on.

YourGrandpa wrote:

Transient wrote: Black and Hispanic officers are entirely susceptible to racism, you don't have to be white to be racist. Your reductive logic and binary world view is exactly the kind of brainless reasoning that's kept institutional racism from being addressed in any meaningful way. But I'm sure you thought Obama was actually pretty articulate, didn't you?

Of course, anyone can be racist. But if all officers are racist because they work for a 300+ year old racist institution, who exactly are the black and Hispanic officers being racist toward? Are black officers being selectively racist towards whites and Hispanics, and Hispanic offices selectively racist towards blacks and whites, all the while working side by side with their racist counterparts? Sounds like a very contentious work environment or a completely ridiculous notion. I'm sure you being an idiot will preclude you from logical deduction.

Black officers can be racist toward black people. :dork:

Nice dodge...

Racist: a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Hey dopey, that's hateful not racist.

Lol Gramps is racist... And a trumpanzee... Predictably pathetic...

It took until page 4 of this thread before Gramps popped his massive head in here. He’s been chomping at the bit to pipe up with his moronic views. And y’all are surprised?

YourGrandpa wrote:Nice dodge...

Racist: a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Hey dopey, that's hateful not racist.

That wasn't a dodge, that was my point the whole time, hence the :dork: icon. Instead of taking your definition of racism from Merriam-Webster, maybe try talking to a black person.

YourGrandpa wrote:Nice dodge...

Racist: a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Hey dopey, that's hateful not racist.

Speaking of dodging, you decided to just ignore my post clearly outlining how this kind of racism works and instead dived into a game of semantics about the term "racism"?

Transient wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote:Nice dodge...

Racist: a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Hey dopey, that's hateful not racist.

That wasn't a dodge, that was my point the whole time, hence the :dork: icon. Instead of taking your definition of racism from Merriam-Webster, maybe try talking to a black person.

"But I've got a black friend, so I can't possibly be racist" reply in 3... 2... 1....